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20071022 10:34:40 | dr@irc | hi there.
20071022 10:38:13 | erik@irc | hi
20071022 11:33:32 | mark@irc | hello
20071022 11:42:23 | Susannah@jabber | test
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20071022 11:44:30 | chris@jabber | test
20071022 11:46:08 | colin@irc | anyone know which of the webcasts are working
20071022 11:46:53 | Susannah@jabber | Hi, the plenary session in the ballroom will be webcast
20071022 11:47:04 | Susannah@jabber | it starts at 14:00
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20071022 11:47:32 | Caz@irc | Afternoon Al :)
20071022 11:48:37 | mark@irc | who's Al ?
20071022 11:49:17 | Caz@irc | oops
20071022 11:49:26 | Caz@irc | it's him -->
20071022 11:49:38 | Caz@irc | or just a woman that can't spell
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20071022 12:00:09 | Susannah@jabber | Hi, my name is Susannah from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
20071022 12:00:12 | Susannah@jabber | Enjoy!
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20071022 12:01:03 | Susannah@jabber | Joao has started the Plenary
20071022 12:04:22 | colin@irc | the webcast cuts out after 16secs everytime
20071022 12:04:32 | colin@irc | is anyone else seeing this
20071022 12:07:00 | do3mca@irc | heh
20071022 12:07:31 | do3mca@irc | yes, and that might explain why the relay does a similar thing
20071022 12:07:57 | Susannah@jabber | Randy Bush has started his presentation
20071022 12:08:10 | nick-2128@irc | we're all depressed already
20071022 12:08:16 | felders@irc | lol
20071022 12:08:23 | do3mca@irc | but anyway, none of the webcasts seem to show live stuff?
20071022 12:08:23 | colin@irc | the webcast is only showing the calendar for the week
20071022 12:09:38 | [rvs]@irc | colin, which version are you using, qt or wmv ?
20071022 12:10:00 | colin@irc | wmv
20071022 12:10:45 | [rvs]@irc | we do recommend the qt stream
20071022 12:11:24 | do3mca@irc | ...
20071022 12:11:28 | Susannah@jabber | Randy has asked for questions
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20071022 12:12:49 | opsroom@jabber | colin, what player are you using?
20071022 12:13:15 | Susannah@jabber | Leo Vegoda has started his presentation
20071022 12:13:32 | colin@irc | both vlc and windows media player
20071022 12:13:33 | do3mca@irc | windows media player does the same thing
20071022 12:13:37 | opsroom@jabber | quictime seems to work for me, checking wmv now
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20071022 12:14:17 | colin@irc | ok vlc and quicktime streamwork
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20071022 12:15:11 | opsroom@jabber | i can confirm the problem for wmv stream
20071022 12:15:34 | opsroom@jabber | working on it
20071022 12:15:39 | wouter@jabber | both wmv and qt don't work for me. mplayer, totem.
20071022 12:16:33 | mjs@irc | qt did work for me but now it froze
20071022 12:17:23 | Susannah@jabber | Leo has asked the room for questions
20071022 12:17:39 | Djinh@irc | qt works fine for me
20071022 12:18:03 | opsroom@jabber | wmv seems to work as well now
20071022 12:18:06 | Djinh@irc | I'm at the meeting, and not sure if that makes a difference
20071022 12:18:34 | wouter@jabber | mplayer/wmv works now.
20071022 12:19:49 | do3mca@irc | Yep. and now the mms relay relays fine.
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20071022 12:21:13 | de.speedpartner.metz@jabber | our wmv-mirror is up, too
20071022 12:21:30 | do3mca@irc | michael! i was just about to mail you
20071022 12:21:52 | webcast@jabber | everyone happy with the webcasts now? :)
20071022 12:23:33 | mjs@irc | I am, thanks (well, slides look like they're bent but it may be due to some yet unknown problem at my end)
20071022 12:26:13 | Susannah@jabber | Leo has finished his presentation
20071022 12:26:35 | opsroom@jabber | mjs, there is some distortion in the wmv due to long cables
20071022 12:26:55 | opsroom@jabber | quicktime is better :)
20071022 12:28:15 | Susannah@jabber | Vince Fuller has started his presentation
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20071022 12:32:16 | do3mca@irc | wmv sounds a bit overmodulated/overamplified
20071022 12:33:47 | Susannah@jabber | Vince has asked for questions
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20071022 12:37:09 | Susannah@jabber | Vince's presentation has finished
20071022 12:38:27 | [rvs]@irc | do3mca: and qt ?
20071022 12:40:50 | opsroom@jabber | i'll turn down the wmv volume slightly
20071022 12:41:00 | do3mca@irc | not so much, maybe its just bps setting for wma
20071022 12:41:21 | mjs@irc | the sound in qt stream is fine
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20071022 12:41:43 | opsroom@jabber | slightly lowered, doesn't seem to overpower now at least
20071022 12:45:28 | Susannah@jabber | Bijal Sanghani has started her presentation
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20071022 12:57:13 | Susannah@jabber | Bijal has asked for questions
20071022 12:58:25 | Susannah@jabber | Bijal has finished her presentation
20071022 12:59:08 | Susannah@jabber | Juan Pedro Cerezo has started his presentation
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20071022 13:04:00 | dr@irc | the slides PDF link on http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-55/agendas/monday.html for current preso is pointing to the wrong PDF (Leo's)
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20071022 13:06:24 | Susannah@jabber | dr, I will let Webmaster know, thanks
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20071022 13:06:48 | dr@irc | thanks susannah
20071022 13:07:05 | Susannah@jabber | Are there any questiosn?
20071022 13:07:09 | Susannah@jabber | questions ;-)
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20071022 13:11:05 | Susannah@jabber | the presentation has ended
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20071022 13:13:31 | Susannah@jabber | The Opening Plenary has now ended
20071022 13:13:41 | Susannah@jabber | see you at 16:00 for the next plenary session :)
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20071022 13:56:32 | chris@jabber | Hi, my name is Chris from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
20071022 13:59:33 | chris@jabber | Kurtis has opened the Plenary session
20071022 14:00:36 | chris@jabber | Daniel has started his presentation
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20071022 14:05:25 | nick-2128@irc | xs4all usenet, no?
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20071022 14:06:16 | webcast@jabber | nick, xs4all usenet on v6 still runs i think
20071022 14:07:13 | marcoh@irc | on a salespitch
20071022 14:07:31 | marcoh@irc | we still allow read-only IPv6 connections towards newszilla
20071022 14:08:16 | marcoh@irc | ppl here can try: newszilla6.xs4all.nl
20071022 14:08:33 | marcoh@irc | (it seems we have IPv6 connectivity on the meeting lan)
20071022 14:08:40 | [rvs]@irc | [rvs] has joined the channel.
20071022 14:08:49 | webcast@jabber | ipv6 from here should work indeed
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20071022 14:12:56 | chris@jabber | Daniel has asked for questions
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20071022 14:16:38 | chris@jabber | Daniel has finished his presentation
20071022 14:18:33 | chris@jabber | Randy Bush has started his presentation
20071022 14:20:46 | webcast@jabber | 30 on our qt+wmv
20071022 14:20:48 | webcast@jabber | ho
20071022 14:23:48 | colin@irc | the webcast is very unstable 
20071022 14:24:24 | Djinh@irc | yes
20071022 14:24:37 | Djinh@irc | impossible to follow
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20071022 14:25:01 | de.speedpartner.metz@jabber | which mirror are you using?
20071022 14:25:29 | colin@irc | using the ripe QT stream
20071022 14:26:21 | webcast@jabber | /me checks
20071022 14:27:03 | webcast@jabber | didn't look to good, but fine after restarting my player
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20071022 14:27:44 | Djinh@irc | not for me
20071022 14:28:44 | webcast@jabber | what exactly is wrong with it?
20071022 14:29:11 | Djinh@irc | seems like huge packet loss
20071022 14:29:19 | sander@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | The QT stream is bad, even here in the meeting room
20071022 14:29:20 | colin@irc | it the stream dies every few minutes and I have to restart vlc
20071022 14:29:22 | Djinh@irc | one in a while I get a short fragment
20071022 14:29:22 | damien_@irc | nickname changed from damien_ to damien
20071022 14:29:33 | Djinh@irc | for the rest it's quiet
20071022 14:29:48 | Djinh@irc | and then it disconnects me
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20071022 14:30:03 | webcast@jabber | QT from rtsp://qtstreamer.ripemtg.ripe.net/ripemtg.sdp right?
20071022 14:30:42 | sander@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | I was looking at rtsp://qtstreamer.ripemtg.ripe.net/ripemtg.sdp
20071022 14:30:47 | sander@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | so: yes
20071022 14:30:51 | Djinh@irc | yes
20071022 14:31:22 | colin@irc | yes
20071022 14:31:39 | Djinh@irc | interesting
20071022 14:31:49 | Djinh@irc | running the stream in VLC instead of quicktime makes it work
20071022 14:31:56 | webcast@jabber | hrm
20071022 14:32:10 | webcast@jabber | especially on windows we see that VLC is better at the QT stream than QT player itsself
20071022 14:32:18 | Djinh@irc | this is on OSX
20071022 14:32:35 | sander@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | Also on ASX here
20071022 14:32:40 | sander@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | OSX*
20071022 14:32:43 | colin@irc | Djinh: using vlc and it still locks up
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20071022 14:33:46 | webcast@jabber | it runs flawless locally
20071022 14:33:49 | Djinh@irc | now vlc dies as well
20071022 14:34:01 | Djinh@irc | when I was just down in the kras it worked really well, yes
20071022 14:34:02 | webcast@jabber | and our upstream could fit zillions of these streams
20071022 14:37:32 | Djinh@irc | wmv stream seems to work though
20071022 14:37:44 | Djinh@irc | although it doesn't look/sound as nice :)
20071022 14:38:04 | colin@irc | the cesnet mirror seems stable
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20071022 14:40:05 | webcast@jabber | i don't see any issues in our network
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20071022 14:41:55 | webcast@jabber | is it still bad?
20071022 14:42:06 | webcast@jabber | and is the wmv better?
20071022 14:43:31 | Djinh@irc | the wmv works fine
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20071022 14:44:57 | Djinh@irc | quicktime stream in quicktime player still very bad
20071022 14:45:04 | Djinh@irc | in vlc it seems to work now
20071022 14:45:07 | webcast@jabber | ok
20071022 14:45:33 | Djinh@irc | not as good as the wmv stream in vlc though
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20071022 14:45:44 | webcast@jabber | we didn't change anything compared to the previous session, so i can't explain really
20071022 14:47:54 | Djinh@irc | now the quicktime stream in vlc dies again
20071022 14:48:13 | alexb@irc | alexb has joined the channel.
20071022 14:48:59 | chris@jabber | Randy has asked for questions
20071022 14:51:28 | mc@irc |  :/
20071022 14:53:46 | chris@jabber | Randy has finished his presentation
20071022 14:54:21 | chris@jabber | Niall Murphy has started his presentation
20071022 14:54:23 | master@irc | aww my ears
20071022 14:54:44 | dr@irc | finally a speaker who uses the microphone ;>
20071022 14:54:48 | master@irc | this is a secret plot to make all webcast people to join the meeting in real life, isn't it? :)
20071022 14:55:12 | Caz_@irc | drat!!  the truth is out
20071022 14:55:42 | mc@irc | what is the truth?
20071022 14:55:45 | [rvs]@irc | ...why miss all the fun of being here...
20071022 14:56:39 | webcast@jabber | the sound sounds good for me now
20071022 14:57:42 | mjs@irc | it's good, at least in wmv stream
20071022 14:58:02 | shep@jabber | the non-mic users have made it hard even being here in the back of the room
20071022 14:58:42 | shep@jabber | ...with old ears
20071022 14:59:36 | master@irc | and mine are dead now *scratch*
20071022 14:59:38 | master@irc | but it's ok now
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20071022 15:13:55 | felders@irc | oops
20071022 15:21:41 | Caz_@irc | Caz_ has left the channel.
20071022 15:25:25 | chris@jabber | Niall has asked for questions
20071022 15:27:24 | erik@irc | hrm, a /me doesn't get sent to jabber
20071022 15:27:58 | master@irc | bad bad jabber
20071022 15:28:49 | master@irc | ...-gateway
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20071022 15:32:01 | webcast@jabber | is anyone here watching the quicktime stream where it does work good?
20071022 15:33:13 | webcast@jabber | (is anyone at all here watching the quicktime ?)
20071022 15:33:31 | Djinh@irc | not me
20071022 15:34:56 | steinar@irc | steinar has joined the channel.
20071022 15:35:40 | steinar@irc | suddenly the name amsterdam internet exchange gives new meaning
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20071022 15:37:08 | nick@irc | we should call it the "east irish trading company"
20071022 15:37:18 | paul@irc | Question for Niall: Is there any reason why RIPE must operate IP exchanges, rather than simply stick to providing administrative and perhaps technical services to facilitate IP exchanges, external to RIPE? (which could be multiple)
20071022 15:38:11 | paul@irc | (Paul Jakma)
20071022 15:38:49 | chris@jabber | thanks paul
20071022 15:41:49 | jarle-admin@jabber | How will the IPv6 allocation policies be affected by the fact
that the RIPE NCC will be operating/managing a (competing) market for IPv4 resources?
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20071022 15:42:45 | chris@jabber | sorry jarle -admin, the Chair had already closed the question time when your question came in
20071022 15:43:38 | jarle-admin@jabber | oh well
20071022 15:44:02 | mc@irc | ip exchange ripe?
20071022 15:44:35 | marcoh@irc | outsource to euronext 
20071022 15:45:02 | chris@jabber | Niall has finished his presentation
20071022 15:45:16 | chris@jabber | Gert Doering has started his presentation
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20071022 15:46:59 | chris@jabber | Gert has pointed out that both the IPv4 Depletion Session tomorrow afternoon (16:00-18:00) and the Address Policy WG session on Thursday morning will offer further opportunities for discussion for anyone whose questions were cut off after the last presentation
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20071022 15:48:02 | marcoh@irc | doesn't the 6bone shutdown matches Daniel's traffic gap at ams-ix ?
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20071022 15:50:38 | razvan@jabber | Daniel's gap happened this year in Feb, while 6bone happened last year in June, so no.
20071022 15:53:18 | webcast@jabber | it was mentioned in EIX in tallinn
20071022 15:53:31 | webcast@jabber | i remember something about a broken v6 news peering, but might be mistaken
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20071022 15:55:06 | mjs@irc | that's (or v6 newsfeed shut down) what I remember, too
20071022 15:55:35 | dr@irc | indeed
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20071022 16:09:56 | chris@jabber | Gert has finished his presentation
20071022 16:10:05 | chris@jabber | The Chair has closed the Plenary session
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20071023 06:39:06 | remco-16243@irc | morning all
20071023 06:39:29 | de.speedpartner.metz@jabber | good morning
20071023 06:44:37 | mc@irc | moin
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20071023 07:04:13 | de.speedpartner.metz@jabber | very empty audience this time ;-)
20071023 07:05:58 | elmar@jabber | morn'
20071023 07:06:14 | mc@irc | too early, seems
20071023 07:06:25 | elmar@jabber | Probably :)
20071023 07:07:07 | lgf@irc | lgf has joined the channel.
20071023 07:07:13 | brian@irc | There may have been a couple of pints had last night...
20071023 07:07:21 | elmar@jabber | Noooooooooooo :)
20071023 07:07:27 | elmar@jabber | . o O ("hangover shift, yeah")
20071023 07:07:32 | mc@irc | yea, even the power in the middle still sleeps
20071023 07:07:46 | elmar@jabber | mc: More like the infrastructure is coming apart...
20071023 07:07:54 | mc@irc | hehe
20071023 07:08:02 | mc@irc | anecdotes++
20071023 07:09:25 | elmar@jabber | *g*
20071023 07:09:37 | elmar@jabber | "Everybody out!"
20071023 07:10:32 | steinar@irc | steinar has joined the channel.
20071023 07:10:49 | elmar@jabber | webcast: The stram just failed.
20071023 07:11:27 | elmar@jabber | Ah, it is continuing...
20071023 07:11:46 | mc@irc | i just restarted teamix relay.
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20071023 07:13:28 | chris@jabber | Hi, my name is Chris from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation
20071023 07:13:55 | elmar@jabber | . o O (That customer needs more lines)
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20071023 07:14:14 | elmar@jabber | Hi Chris and Fergal :)

20071023 07:17:25 | Fergal@irc | Hi, my name is Fergal from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel  during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out.  Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions  when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
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20071023 07:17:48 | mc@irc | heh
20071023 07:18:56 | Fergal@irc | Fernando Garcia has begun his presentation. If you have any questions, please type them here, along with your name, and I will read them at the end of the presentation.
20071023 07:21:18 | master@irc | *yawn* way too early 
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20071023 07:27:43 | mc@irc | me eyes chris
20071023 07:28:51 | Chris@jabber | Peter Löthberg has begun his presentation

20071023 07:28:59 | mc@irc | :)
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20071023 07:35:18 | mark@irc | heh
20071023 07:36:00 | master@irc | somehow this is only half-funny but well :)
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20071023 08:08:36 | remco-16243@irc | that was brilliant
20071023 08:08:42 | remco-16243@irc | no other words for it
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20071023 08:09:28 | mjs@irc | I was unlucky enough to miss most of it :-( 
20071023 08:09:44 | mjs@irc | me visited dentist...
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20071023 08:09:54 | mike_5459@irc | I was amazed people didn't have questions ;)
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20071023 08:10:36 | nick@irc | i think peter was outputting data at around 40Gbit/sec
20071023 08:14:33 | master@irc | why would anyone have questions? ("where do i get my free CRS-1?"?)
20071023 08:15:12 | mc@irc | wee tee eff is a negativ fiber?
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20071023 08:15:49 | rhe@irc | A fibre with a negative dispersion characteristic, used for dispersion compensation.
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20071023 08:38:52 | Chris@jabber | test
20071023 08:39:10 | mc@irc | succeeded
20071023 08:39:12 | CharlesInParis@jabber | I was told there wasn't going to be a test.
20071023 08:39:27 | Chris@jabber | ignore me
20071023 08:39:29 | Chris@jabber | ;)
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20071023 08:52:40 | remco-16243@irc | everybody remember to fill out the online survey to win fabulous prizes during the ripe dinner!
20071023 08:53:37 | erik@irc | where?
20071023 08:53:42 | wtremmel@irc | url?
20071023 08:55:46 | mc@irc | rosie?
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20071023 08:57:46 | mc@irc | mh, maybe not
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20071023 08:59:14 | erik@irc | don't see it there
20071023 09:00:14 | Chris@jabber | Hi, my name is Chris from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
20071023 09:01:11 | Chris@jabber | Geoff Huston has begun his presentation
20071023 09:02:25 | master@irc | hmmm
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20071023 09:03:38 | remco-16243@irc | url is on the dinner ticket, but anyway: http://www.virtu.nl/ripe/
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20071023 09:07:29 | pheldal@jabber | could someone check the audio gain on the windows media encoder. It is awfully distorted. Also, the quicktime stream seems better, but is interrupted frequently (every 2min or so).
20071023 09:08:24 | master@irc | me can confirm that
20071023 09:08:41 | mjs@irc | yes, the audio on wmv stream is awful. Check if there is something that can be done about it, please.
20071023 09:09:31 | master@irc | me filtered the audio pretty nicely local yesterda already though :)
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20071023 09:10:18 | mc@irc | iam not sure wether it really is gain or a too low br for audio
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20071023 09:12:47 | erik@irc | we're looking into it
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20071023 09:13:35 | mjs@irc | and I wonder why qt stream just stops after a few minutes... (First, I'd blame the windows box over there running vlc)
20071023 09:14:44 | master@irc | QT already didn't work the last times that good (for me) 
20071023 09:15:37 | pheldal@jabber | got frequent aborts on the qt stream running vlc 0.8.6c on linux. now trying totem 2.20 - 5min30sec still running
20071023 09:15:59 | erik@irc | the problem with aborts is that our current video switcher can cause partial frames
20071023 09:16:05 | erik@irc | which then confuses vlc
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20071023 09:20:51 | pheldal@jabber | erik: ahh, that explains why totem works better. the latest version of the gstreamer framework has been fixed to better cope with partial frames and framedrops. It doesn't abort, but both video and audio is very choppy at times.
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20071023 09:33:18 | Chris@jabber | geoff has finished his presentation and asked for questions
20071023 09:37:19 | mjs@irc | the sound from the mic Daniel is using is much better (and quiter) than Geoff's one
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20071023 09:44:02 | Chris@jabber | Richard Lambe is beginning his presentation
20071023 09:44:39 | Chris@jabber | (edit: Richard Lamb)
20071023 09:45:04 | Louie@jabber | einar?  Are you einar of arin?
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20071023 10:12:43 | hoz@jabber | Chris, I am Holger Zuleger (Arcor AG), could you please ask the following question "Are there plans to setup additional slave servers for these zones, and if so, when?"
20071023 10:13:12 | Chris@jabber | Sorry Holger, the Chair just closed questions
20071023 10:13:21 | hoz@jabber | Ok
20071023 10:13:29 | Chris@jabber | Jochem has started his presentation
20071023 10:16:34 | remco-16243@irc | personally i'd have chosen a different short form than dp-tf
20071023 10:16:39 | remco-16243@irc | but that's just me I suppose
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20071023 10:21:59 | Chris@jabber | Jocehm has asked for questions
20071023 10:22:04 | Chris@jabber | [Jochem]
20071023 10:22:26 | Chris@jabber | The Chair has closed questions
20071023 10:22:47 | Chris@jabber | Malcolm Hutty has started his presentation
20071023 10:26:55 | Chris@jabber | Malcolm has finished his presentation
20071023 10:27:05 | Chris@jabber | The Chair has closed this Plenary session
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20071023 10:42:41 | master@irc | ^
20071023 10:42:45 | master@irc | disregard
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20071023 12:01:52 | Susannah@jabber | Hi, my name is Susannah and I'm from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out.
20071023 12:01:59 | Susannah@jabber | Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation
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20071023 12:03:05 | Susannah@jabber | The session has started
20071023 12:03:15 | Susannah@jabber | Maurizio Pizzonia has started his presentation
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20071023 12:23:12 | Susannah@jabber |  Maurizio has asked the room for questions.
20071023 12:23:37 | Susannah@jabber | This presentation has finished
20071023 12:24:12 | dr@irc | Susannah: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-55/agendas/tuesday.html#14 preso PDF link for the DWDM preso wrong :)
20071023 12:24:29 | dr@irc | Susannah: also points to the preso thereafter
20071023 12:24:42 | Susannah@jabber | Michael Finkenzeller has started his presentation.
20071023 12:25:16 | Susannah@jabber | Dr, I will inform webmaster, thanks.
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20071023 12:43:02 | Susannah@jabber | Michael has asked the room for questions.
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20071023 12:45:18 | mjs@irc | quite a delay in stream... like 10 - 15 seconds after request for questions in mentioned here I here it from the wmv stream
20071023 12:45:35 | mjs@irc | I'm using the Sufnet's mirror which may have an effect on this
20071023 12:48:00 | colin@irc | mjs: thats about normal
20071023 12:49:15 | arno@irc | susannah is simply too fast
20071023 12:49:35 | Susannah@jabber | Michael's presentation has finished.
20071023 12:50:21 | Susannah@jabber | Alexander Mayrhofer has started his presentation
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20071023 13:10:54 | mike_5459@irc | there's a Nokia E90 on my desk at work, which does have wifi, a SIP client, and on-board GPS. Such devices do exist ;).
20071023 13:11:30 | Susannah@jabber | Mike, you don't need to me to read that out right?
20071023 13:12:14 | mike_5459@irc | nope. I was just pointing that out. I'll make that point myself when he asks for questions ;).
20071023 13:12:24 | Susannah@jabber | :)
20071023 13:28:05 | Susannah@jabber | The presenter has asked for questions
20071023 13:28:51 | hoz@jabber | Susannah, could you please ask, "how (by which protocol) the LoST server is discovered by the client"
20071023 13:28:59 | Susannah@jabber | yes
20071023 13:29:07 | Susannah@jabber | can I have your name please
20071023 13:29:15 | hoz@jabber | Holger Zuleger (Arcor AG)
20071023 13:29:32 | Susannah@jabber | thanks
20071023 13:31:25 | Susannah@jabber | The presenter has finished
20071023 13:31:48 | Susannah@jabber | The session has ended. See you at 16:00 for the next session.
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20071023 14:03:12 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | Hi, my name is Rumy from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out for you.  Please make your questions as clear as possible and state your name and organisation. I will read out your questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
20071023 14:03:33 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | Rob Blokzijl started the session
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20071023 14:12:25 | master@irc | hm only Tueseday Afternoon and i've already had enough politics talk, new record :-}
20071023 14:12:39 | master@irc | enough of
20071023 14:13:17 | remco-16243@irc | in that case you'd better head for the pub
20071023 14:13:23 | remco-16243@irc | because it's about to get worse :)
20071023 14:13:49 | master@irc | i know, i know
20071023 14:13:56 | master@irc | but i hoped i survive to the END of the session
20071023 14:14:14 | brian@irc | Run out and grab a quick drink in the bar, then come back in? :)
20071023 14:14:27 | remco-16243@irc | wish I could start on a drink
20071023 14:14:32 | remco-16243@irc | but I'm on after mark
20071023 14:15:04 | brian@irc | One drink won't hurt...
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20071023 14:23:18 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | any questions for Mark?
20071023 14:23:19 | master@irc | at least i kinda support the talk
20071023 14:23:46 | master@irc | no questions this time, just agreement mostly
20071023 14:23:57 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | ok
20071023 14:24:21 | Caz@irc | wow - they are literally queueing up this time 
20071023 14:27:43 | mc@irc | aint that good?
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20071023 14:28:03 | remco-16243@irc | long queues are usually bad :)
20071023 14:28:35 | master@irc | nono this is not the IPv6 PI queue, so it's not bad
20071023 14:29:54 | mjs@irc | PI queue will be just before dinner, are you sure people will queue? :-)
20071023 14:31:04 | mc@irc | uh :(
20071023 14:33:53 | master@irc | no "we will take that back to the mailinglists and ...." 
20071023 14:34:19 | mjs@irc | bah, I'm mistaken, I thought it was a topic on v6 wg but of course it's an address policy issue
20071023 14:34:45 | mjs@irc | so, it's only blocking lunch :-)
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20071023 14:41:33 | remco-16243@irc | ok wish me luck
20071023 14:42:08 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | remco is starting his presentation
20071023 14:42:15 | master@irc | we will laught and some will throw... ok the tomatoe joke was too late
20071023 14:42:36 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | Hi, my name is Rumy from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out for you.  Please make your questions as clear as possible and state your name and organisation. I will read out your questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
20071023 14:42:53 | mc@irc | heh
20071023 14:44:35 | mc@irc | hrm. the font sometimes is a tad small
20071023 14:47:10 | master@irc | hm i will throw my tomatoes on the mailinglist
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20071023 14:56:16 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | Any questions for Remco?
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20071023 15:04:04 | master@irc | . o O(yes, "good dope you smoked there while coming up with that one, i want that too, where do you get it?")   SCNR
20071023 15:04:35 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | errr
20071023 15:04:44 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | I guess you dont want me to relay that at the mike?
20071023 15:04:59 | master@irc | depends :)
20071023 15:05:02 | master@irc | no not really
20071023 15:05:13 | master@irc | me is just being sarcastic
20071023 15:05:15 | pheldal@jabber | are they really suggesting a market for selling chunks of PA blocks?
20071023 15:05:20 | master@irc | yes
20071023 15:05:44 | marcoh@irc | welcome to the real world
20071023 15:05:50 | master@irc | I'm member of the extinct race of the i-dont-want-to-put-a-pricetag-on-any-IP-address-ressources 
20071023 15:06:12 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | Geoff Houstons presentation is starting now
20071023 15:06:23 | pheldal@jabber | you're not alone ;)
20071023 15:06:29 | marcoh@irc | there is no other way, we're going to run out
20071023 15:07:02 | master@irc | then use IPv6 or die, sorry. better no IPv4 space for new companies than IPv4 space for companies with $$ only
20071023 15:07:02 | pheldal@jabber | the only prob is we have no route signatures.
20071023 15:07:24 | master@irc | i absolutely despise this idea
20071023 15:07:36 | master@irc | (but i'm a realist, i know it will happen :-)
20071023 15:07:58 | marcoh@irc | master: you have any payinbg customers ?
20071023 15:08:18 | marcoh@irc | are you going to tell them to take v6-only or die ?
20071023 15:08:22 | pheldal@jabber | if we did RIPE could just sit back and let people trade, but follow normal guidelines to determine wether the receiver of a block is "worthy"
20071023 15:08:32 | master@irc | marcoh: no i have enough IPs :-)
20071023 15:09:34 | marcoh@irc | master: so you're going to wait until some regulator, to keep competition open, forces you to give up those addresses to newcomers ?
20071023 15:09:42 | master@irc | but why should entities with BIG time money are allowed to steal ressources from for example non-profit entities without much money? 
20071023 15:10:24 | marcoh@irc | why steal ?
20071023 15:10:37 | marcoh@irc | you're free to decide wether to sell
20071023 15:10:39 | master@irc | marcoh: then i give it back, so what. I have no problems with retrieval of unused space and redistributing them by the working policies
20071023 15:11:17 | master@irc | marcoh: you got that wrong - steal as in "there is free space, someone doesn't use it, but the one with the bigger money gets it", bad tie breaker
20071023 15:11:55 | master@irc | but again, don't get me wrong, i'm realistic, i can cope with it. It's just wrong from my p.o.v. that's all i'm saying
20071023 15:12:03 | marcoh@irc | welcome to the real world, peopele do actually make a living from this industry
20071023 15:12:12 | master@irc | otherwise i would come up with an opposing proposal, i'm not being religious about that issue
20071023 15:12:25 | marcoh@irc | and are trying to protect their jobs, to feed their childeren
20071023 15:13:10 | master@irc | then invest in IPv6 insted of IPv4?
20071023 15:13:28 | remco-16243@irc | if the price of v4 goes up badly, v6 will be far more attractive
20071023 15:13:33 | marcoh@irc | IPv6 ain't ready
20071023 15:13:42 | remco-16243@irc | but if you're desperate for v4 you can still get it
20071023 15:13:52 | master@irc | ...if you have the biggest pocket
20071023 15:13:56 | marcoh@irc | there is still no real usable way to hand it out to my dsl customers
20071023 15:13:59 | master@irc | ..if not you're fucked
20071023 15:14:28 | master@irc | marcoh: my DSL customers have no problems with IPv6, even PPPoE/L2TP works flawlessly
20071023 15:14:30 | Susannah@jabber | Hi all, please remember this conversation will be archived on the ripe.net website ;)
20071023 15:14:30 | master@irc | with Ipv6
20071023 15:14:42 | master@irc | actually, i'm here via IPv6 via consumer DSL :)
20071023 15:14:54 | marcoh@irc | master: you are handing out IPv6 over PPPoE ?
20071023 15:15:10 | master@irc | yes
20071023 15:15:11 | pheldal@jabber | ipv6 isn't ready - cause it isn't yet necessary. The internet  is the best working example of ad-hoc engineering in history. Just wait and see what'll happen with v6 readiness once there's no more v4
20071023 15:15:35 | master@irc | pheldal: i hope for that, too :-)
20071023 15:15:46 | master@irc | that's why i want IPv4 to run out FAST, not to prolong it
20071023 15:15:48 | remco-16243@irc | that'd be great
20071023 15:15:54 | remco-16243@irc | but we can't count on that
20071023 15:15:59 | master@irc | i prefer reclaiming
20071023 15:16:02 | master@irc | that's all
20071023 15:16:16 | pheldal@jabber | and to those who think they'll get rich on trading; that'll be an excellent accellerator to the transition process
20071023 15:16:16 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | since this thread is quite long, could you please specifically let me know if you want me to ask a question or comment on something for you?
20071023 15:16:35 | master@irc | hehe 
20071023 15:16:44 | master@irc | ok "we take it to the mailinglits" :-)
20071023 15:16:58 | marcoh@irc | tonight at aknathon 
20071023 15:16:59 | pheldal@jabber | rumy: just point people to nanog and arin-ppml archives ;)
20071023 15:18:15 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | thanks :)
20071023 15:18:22 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | i'm sure they know where to find them
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20071023 15:44:33 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | does anyone have any questions for Geoff?
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20071023 16:04:10 | rumy@jabber.ripe.net@jabber | this session has now ended
20071023 16:04:57 | master@irc | alllrighty
20071023 16:05:06 | master@irc | *clap*clap*
20071023 16:05:18 | mc@irc | hm.
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20071024 07:01:30 | Chris@jabber | Hi, my name is Chris from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
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20071024 07:09:37 | Caz@irc | Good morning all :)
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20071024 07:11:12 | mjs@irc | very silent there in Krasnapolsky (or something wrong with streaming)
20071024 07:11:20 | Caz@irc | not started yet
20071024 07:11:24 | Chris@jabber | the session has been slightly delayed in starting
20071024 07:11:31 | brian@irc | We're all whispering.
20071024 07:11:31 | Chris@jabber | i think we're just about ready to start
20071024 07:13:55 | Chris@jabber | Frank Nnebe has started his presentation
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20071024 07:23:09 | Chris@jabber | does anyone have any questions for frank?
20071024 07:23:24 | Chris@jabber | Sunny Chendi has begun his presentation
20071024 07:32:52 | Chris@jabber | are there any questions for sunny?
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20071024 07:34:06 | Chris@jabber | Raul Echeberria has begun his presentation on LACNIC
20071024 07:47:10 | Chris@jabber | Raul has asked for questions.
20071024 07:47:47 | Chris@jabber | Ray Plzak has begun his presentation on ARIN and the NRO
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20071024 08:04:44 | Chris@jabber | Rob Blokzijl has begun his presentation
20071024 08:06:47 | Chris@jabber | Hans Petter Holen has been confirmed as the continuing RIPE representative on the NRO Number Council
20071024 08:07:13 | Chris@jabber | Filiz Yilmas has started her presentation
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20071024 08:39:07 | Chris@jabber | Leo has asked for questions
20071024 08:39:24 | Chris@jabber | Leo has finished his presentation
20071024 08:39:38 | Chris@jabber | The Chair has closed the session - thanks. 
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20071026 09:02:11 | Susannah@jabber | Hi, my name is Susannah from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you are participating remotely and have a question or comment, I can read it out.
20071026 09:02:14 | Susannah@jabber | Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation
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20071026 09:09:30 | Susannah@jabber | Sander Steffan is presenting a statement on IPv4 depletion
20071026 09:14:23 | Susannah@jabber | Kurtis is presenting an overview of the RIPE PDP appeals process
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20071026 09:20:21 | Susannah@jabber | Kurtis has asked for questions
20071026 09:22:59 | Susannah@jabber | Jordi Palet has started his presentation
20071026 09:33:30 | Susannah@jabber | Are there any questions for Jordi?
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20071026 09:37:27 | Susannah@jabber | Malcolm Hutty is giving a report about the Enhanced Cooperation Task Force
20071026 09:42:25 | Susannah@jabber | Are there any questions for Malcolm?
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20071026 09:43:27 | Susannah@jabber | Malcolm's presentation is over.
20071026 09:43:59 | Susannah@jabber | Brian Nisbit is giving a short overview about the Anti-Spam Working Group
20071026 09:46:07 | Susannah@jabber | The RIPE NCC technical team is giving a presentation
20071026 09:53:18 | Susannah@jabber | Any questions for James
20071026 09:55:06 | Susannah@jabber | Remco from Virtu is giving a short presentation
20071026 10:01:51 | Susannah@jabber | Remco has finished his presentation
20071026 10:02:48 | Susannah@jabber | The Secret Working Group is giving a presentation
20071026 10:03:15 | davidc@irc | shh!
20071026 10:03:38 | Susannah@jabber | ;)
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20071026 10:30:27 | Susannah@jabber | The Secret Working Group Session is over
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20071026 10:38:42 | Susannah@jabber | Rob has ended the closing plenary.
20071026 10:38:51 | Susannah@jabber | See you @ RIPE 56!
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20071026 12:38:07 | [rvs]@irc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0
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20071026 12:48:13 | mark@irc | thanks ruben :)
20071026 12:48:52 | [rvs]@irc | for immediate redistribution folks...
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