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20070507 11:02:05 | Susannah@jabber | Hi, my name is Susannah from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation. Enjoy!
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20070507 12:17:55 | robert@dk-hostmaster.dk@jabber | bork bork bork
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20070507 12:55:13 | Susannah@jabber | The opening plenary session has now ended. 
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20070507 13:33:59 | gregg@jabber | Hi my name's Gregg from the RIPE NCC and I will be monitoring this channel for this session. If you have a question, please let me know and I can read it out for you. 
20070507 13:34:13 | gregg@jabber | We are now starting this afternoons session.
20070507 13:35:02 | gregg@jabber | Ray is starting his presentation.
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20070507 14:05:53 | gregg@jabber | Are there any questions?
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20070507 14:13:26 | caz@jabber | Good afternoon all from a VERY wet Amsterdam
20070507 14:14:12 | leo@jabber | No flooding, I hope
20070507 14:14:45 | caz@jabber | not yet ;-)
20070507 14:15:49 | leo@jabber | Dry here but rain is predicted
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20070507 14:50:39 | gregg@jabber | The plenary has now ended.  Have a great evening.
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20070508 07:59:35 | Susannah@jabber | Hi, my name is Susannah from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you are participating remotely and have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.”
20070508 08:00:14 | Susannah@jabber | Alain's presentation has started.
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20070508 08:59:57 | wtremmel@irc | power is down here (right side, 7th row from front)
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20070508 09:07:11 | Susannah@jabber | wtremmel - someone is coming to check the power now
20070508 09:09:15 | Leo@jabber | Yay - power is back. Huzzah! 
20070508 09:09:23 | wtremmel@irc | power is back! thanks guys!
20070508 09:10:35 | eimann@irc | moin
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20070508 11:01:37 | chris@jabber | hi all, Chris from the RIPE NCC here - I'll be monitoring this chat room for the current session. If you have any questions for the speakers, I can ask them of the speakers. 
20070508 11:18:12 | nick@irc | mmm, filiz's talk isn't dramatic enough to have backing music, is it?
20070508 11:18:31 | mark@irc | not really, no
20070508 11:18:35 | chris@jabber | it couldn't hurt! ;)
20070508 11:19:03 | Leo@jabber | Filiz is a good enough to be a soloist!
20070508 11:20:25 | nick@irc | well, i'm not going to vote against backing music, but could you lower the volume the next time? :-)
20070508 11:20:34 | nick@irc | nearly deafened me
20070508 11:21:19 | [rvs]@irc | apologies
20070508 11:22:09 | erik@irc | at least everyone is awake now
20070508 11:23:45 | chris@jabber | Filiz has finished her presentation and asked for questions
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20070508 11:24:39 | keith@jabber | you've seen the movie, now for the novel :-)
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20070508 11:54:30 | chris@jabber | Leo has finished his presentation and is taking questions
20070508 11:58:11 | Leo@jabber | If anyone has information about the contacts at http://www.iana.org/assignments/public-data-network-numbers I'd be grateful if they could mail me with details at leo.vegoda@icann.org
20070508 12:03:11 | mark@irc | due south
20070508 12:03:14 | mark@irc | oops
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20070508 12:26:04 | chris@jabber | Loa has finished his presentation and is available for questions
20070508 12:32:22 | chris@jabber | This plenary session is now over. 
20070508 12:33:13 | master@irc | coffe break, good idea
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20070508 13:04:34 | alexb@jabber | Hi, my name is Alex Band from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you are participating remotely and have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
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20070508 14:29:03 | nick@irc | of course the p2p model shifts the costs to the access provider
20070508 14:29:15 | nick@irc | and breaks their cost model
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20070508 14:31:02 | alexb@jabber | bill has finished his presentation and is available for questions
20070508 14:32:07 | nick@irc | question: what happens when the access providers throttle p2p aggressively?
20070508 14:32:41 | alexb@jabber | what's your full name nick?
20070508 14:32:51 | nick@irc | nick hilliard, INEX, dublin
20070508 14:32:53 | alexb@jabber | then I'll read it out
20070508 14:32:57 | alexb@jabber | cool
20070508 14:32:59 | nick@irc | "eye-nex"
20070508 14:33:09 | alexb@jabber | ok
20070508 14:39:59 | nick@irc | i think that the question has been answered already
20070508 14:40:21 | alexb@jabber | yeah I figured that
20070508 14:40:22 | alexb@jabber | :)
20070508 14:40:31 | alexb@jabber | thanks for letting me know
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20070508 14:52:43 | alexb@jabber | the session is over
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20070509 06:05:40 | arno@jabber | Hi, my name is Arno from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
20070509 06:06:17 | arno@jabber | Geoff Huston has started his presentation.
20070509 06:21:21 | arno@jabber | Geoff is asking for questions about his earthquake presentation
20070509 06:39:58 | pheldal@jabber | Arno, do you have congestion/packetloss between Tallinn and Amsterdam? The videostream is breaking up badly and it doesn't seem to be a bandwidth problem between my client and the webcast server in Amsterdam.
20070509 06:40:40 | arno@jabber | I'll check with the ops people
20070509 06:43:23 | pheldal@jabber | probly the same old ripemtg probl with no prioritisation of traffic between the venue-site and singel-office resulting in problems like these when people on-site are busy reading email and browsing the net like the normally are at this time in the morning ;)
20070509 06:44:03 | leo.vegoda@jabber.icann.org@jabber | Gaurab mentioned that the Czech mirror was doing a good job, yesterday
20070509 06:44:39 | mjs@irc | did someone break ipv6, too? Or is it just my laptop which is misbehaving?
20070509 06:45:10 | pheldal@jabber | leo: are those mirrors annouced anywhere?
20070509 06:45:45 | leo.vegoda@jabber.icann.org@jabber | No idea, but I perhaps the URLs from RIPE 53 still work?
20070509 06:47:10 | Cougar@jabber | ipv6 works fine
20070509 06:48:34 | mjs@irc | ok, it's my laptop then
20070509 06:56:12 | pheldal@jabber | leo: can't find any mirrors. Think they were announced in an email for the last mtg, but can't find it in the mail.
20070509 06:57:47 | erik@irc | pheldal, what stream are you exactly looking at?
20070509 06:57:53 | erik@irc | pheldal, as in, what url
20070509 06:58:03 | pheldal@jabber | mirrors won't help anyway if the problem is between Tallinn and Amsterdam (unless mirrors were fed directly from the producer-station at the venue, which I doubt)
20070509 06:58:13 | pheldal@jabber | mms://webcast.ripe.net/ripemtg
20070509 06:59:08 | pheldal@jabber | using vlc, tried the various video-bandwidths available. all the same
20070509 06:59:16 | erik@irc | i see the same indeed
20070509 06:59:44 | erik@irc | we'll look into it
20070509 07:00:12 | arno@jabber | There is quite a bit of traffic this morning, but it is on a seperate network. From the public net I don't see a lot of packet loss or weird spikes in traceroutes
20070509 07:02:59 | pheldal@jabber | arno: are you sure the various nets don't share the same uplink from the hotel, and if so is there any traffic priorisation on that link?
20070509 07:03:38 | arno@jabber | That part I do not know, am waiting for ops to get back to me.
20070509 07:04:36 | pheldal@jabber | anyway, the webcast server in AMS should scream bloody murder if it senses packetloss or receives packets out of order from the producer.
20070509 07:05:01 | erik@irc | http://rosie/mrtg/mtgrtr/ <- thre's really not that much traffic
20070509 07:05:37 | Cougar@jabber | for me it looks that EE-NL path is somewhere overloaded.. checking with upstream ISP
20070509 07:11:29 | arno@jabber | Geoff is asking for questions about the certificates
20070509 07:12:18 | arno@jabber | Geoff has started his presentation on IPv4 address exhaustion
20070509 07:15:33 | pheldal@jabber | found the webcast mirrors for ripe52: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-52/techinfo/webcast-file.html
20070509 07:17:08 | pheldal@jabber | doubt that'll help even if they're active (as they're prolly fed from AMS)
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20070509 07:22:59 | pheldal@jabber | http://server3.streaming.cesnet.cz/ripemtg and mms://wmslave.fsknet.dk/ripemtg tested, both work with packetloss
20070509 07:24:07 | arno@jabber | Geoff is asking for questions about his address exhaustion presentation
20070509 07:31:50 | arno@jabber | Now there is a break, during which I'll try and find out more about the webcast :)
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20070509 07:38:36 | rickard@irc | Morning, I'm having trouble accessing the webcast this morning. Is it me??
20070509 07:39:02 | pheldal@jabber | no it's the network
20070509 07:39:05 | alexb@jabber | it's not you, we are checking with ops
20070509 07:39:15 | rickard@irc | OK, sorry to hear that.
20070509 07:39:52 | pheldal@jabber | packetloss in EE. Prob starts a couple hops upstream from the meeting router it seems
20070509 07:39:54 | rickard@irc | An othervise excellent feature of the meeting, cudos to everyone making the webcasts avail.
20070509 07:45:47 | mundofer@jabber | Today it was supposed to be a massive DDoS attack to Estonian networks from some russian hackers (political reasons, I won't go deep in it), perhaps the problems are related to it.
20070509 07:54:30 | rickard@irc | Just a small wish, could you keep the webcast up during breaks so that you didn't miss the start of the next session. Right now it disconnects and I has to try to reconnect.
20070509 07:54:50 | arno@jabber | it seems the upstreams of our upstream have some issues
20070509 08:06:17 | arno@jabber | session has started again, now up Filiz Yilmaz (RIPE NCC) about current policy topics
20070509 08:07:36 | master@irc | *sniffle* still no webcast *cry* :)
20070509 08:08:01 | pheldal@jabber | arno, have you given up on the webcast? ;)
20070509 08:08:54 | arno@jabber | I have not
20070509 08:09:04 | arno@jabber | but it seems there are issues beyond our control
20070509 08:09:11 | arno@jabber | at the upstream of our upstream
20070509 08:09:20 | gordon.lennox@jabber | Impossible! ;-)
20070509 08:09:23 | pheldal@jabber | seems like a telia.net problem.
20070509 08:09:34 | arno@jabber | so, while we are trying to get to the right people, there is little we can actually do from here, or amsterdam
20070509 08:09:51 | pheldal@jabber | maybe kurtis or someone with connections in SE can get some answers
20070509 08:10:08 | arno@jabber | where's the hallway chat when you need it? :)
20070509 08:10:31 | pheldal@jabber | hasn't been set up for this meeting it seems
20070509 08:12:14 | rhe-786@irc | There's a hallway channel on IRC, but doesn't seem to be gatewayed to jabber...
20070509 08:12:45 | arno@jabber | nope.. there was one on jabber too, but that wasn't gatewayed to irc
20070509 08:13:05 | master@irc | little you can do? threten them to revoke their Allocations if they don't fitx it within 5min should help :->
20070509 08:13:23 | Cougar@jabber | this is not telia but dtag problem actually
20070509 08:13:34 | arno@jabber | we can't revoke their certificate just yet ;)
20070509 08:13:39 | master@irc | disregard all typos, i'm on GPRS connectivity :->
20070509 08:14:00 | Cougar@jabber | http://www.ris.ripe.net/cgi-bin/lg/index.cgi?rrc=RRC001&query=7&arg=193.0.8.1 . we are working on it
20070509 08:16:59 | pheldal@jabber | Cougar: that path is changing. Traces from RIS to the meeting router went via telia a few min ago
20070509 08:21:41 | mark@irc | whats that sort of constant bonging noise?
20070509 08:22:40 | rhe-786@irc | I'm guessing a couple of mics are on and there's a bit of feedback.
20070509 08:24:38 | mark@irc | perhaps
20070509 08:30:32 | Cougar@jabber | pheldal: as paths have the same length and you never know which one is used ;-)
20070509 08:31:01 | arno@jabber | session has ended
20070509 08:31:37 | arno@jabber | excuses to people following the webcasts, a better quality version will become available in the archives.
20070509 08:33:35 | master@irc | hopefully, thanks
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20070509 08:51:13 | pheldal@jabber | Cougar: sure. Besides as outsiders we don't know about any use of TE or other possible manupulation of "normal" path-selection algortithms. My trace was btw looking at the path to the meeting-router (212.49.0.132 - assigned by norby.ee) and not an on-site computer, hence the different path -- sorry if that caused any confusion.
20070509 08:53:19 | Cougar@jabber | with such big RTT changes within traceroute you always need to find some place to do backtrace ;-)
20070509 08:53:34 | Cougar@jabber | most times it is causedby some asymmetry
20070509 09:00:25 | pheldal@jabber | sure. trusting on-site ppl to interpret their view ;)
20070509 09:04:49 | Cougar@jabber | ipv4 issue is fixed now
20070509 09:07:23 | pheldal@jabber | looks better. still occasional packets lost, but not enough to break the stream.
20070509 09:18:49 | pheldal@jabber | isn't the current issue about preventing deaggregation. If so, isn't it a fact that RIRs are not routing-police? Shouldn't RIPE instead make recommendations. I.e. recommend how prefixes should be announced, and make recommendations to the ops community about how to filter within the larger block these /32s are allocated from.
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20070509 09:21:37 | pheldal@jabber | I.e. won't we achieve the same if recommendations to the ops-community says to not accept more specifics that /32 from the block these allocations are made from?
20070509 09:21:53 | pheldal@jabber | s/that/than
20070509 09:22:17 | nick@irc | there's no reason to make this type of recommendation
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20070509 09:22:51 | nick@irc | just a requirement to state that the assignment size will be X
20070509 09:24:40 | nick@irc | people will then filter more specifics out to the extent that advertising the aggregate will be an absolute requirement 
20070509 09:26:13 | pheldal@jabber | isn't that the point, considering the potiential inconsistent/inadequate filtering in v6 has to wreak havoc with limited resources 
20070509 09:27:12 | nick@irc | filtering in ipv6 will sort itself out over time
20070509 09:27:17 | nick@irc | i'm really not worried about that
20070509 09:28:05 | pheldal@jabber | the lack of decent rules in v4 is no excuse for not being more strict with v6 
20070509 09:29:22 | pheldal@jabber | what if lax policies give purps the ability to inject millions of bogus routes in the dfz?
20070509 09:30:08 | pheldal@jabber | without decent recommendations how to you fall back to a decent default and get rid of the garbage?
20070509 09:30:32 | nick@irc | RIPE is not an operational police force
20070509 09:31:11 | pheldal@jabber | exactly my point. that's why I'm talking recommendations, not requirements
20070509 09:32:04 | pheldal@jabber | someone must be allowed to make recommendations even if we insist on maintaining an anarchy
20070509 09:32:18 | nick@irc | ietf?
20070509 09:33:25 | pheldal@jabber | ietf should, but hasn't.
20070509 09:37:55 | pheldal@jabber | imho there should be protocols and standards established to feed such recommendations to all dfz routers, and BGP extensions to tag routes that fall within recommendations. This would both eliminate debogonizing pains and combat deaggregation.
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20070509 09:39:15 | pheldal@jabber | sbgp would of course eliminate the need for that, but it seems no closer to realisation now than 10 years ago.
20070509 09:40:26 | nick@irc | sbgp relies on trust chains
20070509 09:40:36 | nick@irc | if your chain has a weak link, you're still screwed
20070509 09:42:01 | pheldal@jabber | just one reason why it has failed.
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20070509 09:44:11 | pheldal@jabber | what I need is the ability to listen to more-specifics from AS'es no more than N hops away, while dropping anything more specific than RIR allocations from anyone further away.
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20070510 05:55:59 | kate@jabber | Hi, my name is Kate from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
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20070510 06:06:43 | kate@jabber | Alex has started his presentation
20070510 06:09:29 | kate@jabber | questions have been invited
20070510 06:12:35 | kate@jabber | Hisham Rojoa has started his presentation
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20070510 06:21:33 | kate@jabber | questions have been invited
20070510 06:22:31 | kate@jabber | Paul Wilson has started his presentation
20070510 06:33:46 | kate@jabber | questions have been invited
20070510 06:34:17 | kate@jabber | Ray Plzak has started his presentation
20070510 06:43:49 | weiler@jabber | is Ray using slides?
20070510 06:44:06 | Leo@jabber | No he handed out a pamphlet
20070510 06:44:06 | kate@jabber | No - he is presenting with a printed report
20070510 06:44:28 | kate@jabber | Questions have been invited
20070510 06:46:10 | kate@jabber | German Valdez has started his presentation
20070510 06:57:30 | kate@jabber | Questions have been invited
20070510 06:58:25 | kate@jabber | Malcolm Hutty is making an announcement
20070510 06:58:51 | weiler@jabber | I'm losing ~ 1/5 words from the webcast, and it's running 1-2 minutes behind realtime, I think.
20070510 06:59:19 | weiler@jabber | I'm just seeing Malcolm now
20070510 06:59:23 | kate@jabber | OPs can you help?
20070510 06:59:25 | Leo@jabber | I think there may be a problem with the audio. There was a buzzing in the room, too
20070510 06:59:38 | erik@irc | you're looking at the windows media webcast?
20070510 07:00:15 | Natha@irc | i am, and have the same problem
20070510 07:00:21 | erik@irc | i see 17 seconds here
20070510 07:00:33 | erik@irc | live image vs watching stream from amsterdam
20070510 07:02:21 | kate@jabber | Malcolm has now finished his announcement
20070510 07:02:55 | kate@jabber | Wilfried Woeber has started his presentation
20070510 07:03:07 | weiler@jabber | malcolm just finished on this stream (yes, windows)
20070510 07:03:19 | erik@irc | the sound is fine on my vlc
20070510 07:03:40 | erik@irc | weiler, so that's 12 seconds? that's quite ok i think
20070510 07:04:03 | Natha@irc | after I restarted it, it improved
20070510 07:04:36 | weiler@jabber | 46 seconds, roughly.
20070510 07:04:57 | weiler@jabber | no objection to delay.  the lost packets/words were a bigger problem
20070510 07:05:06 | erik@irc | is anything still being lost?
20070510 07:05:35 | weiler@jabber | better at the moment
20070510 07:05:47 | erik@irc | i notice it now indeed
20070510 07:06:26 | erik@irc | i'd think your client is doing a lot of buffering - 20s delay on a vlc here that runs the stream from AMS
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20070510 07:13:47 | kate@jabber | Questions have been invited
20070510 07:14:47 | kate@jabber | Leo Vegoda has started his presentation
20070510 07:24:59 | kate@jabber | Questions have been invited
20070510 07:27:48 | kate@jabber | This session has now ended
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20070510 08:05:14 | rickard@irc | Morning, so is the webcast working this morning??
20070510 08:05:32 | rickard@irc | Can't seem to get it working on my side.
20070510 08:05:43 | erik@irc | we're looking into it
20070510 08:10:05 | rickard@irc | Working now..
20070510 08:10:13 | rickard@irc | Thanks!!
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20070510 13:03:58 | rickard@irc | Have you started?? I'm having trouble connecting.
20070510 13:08:07 | rickard@irc | Working now.
20070510 14:15:32 | Eimann@irc | nope
20070510 14:20:01 | erik@irc | what does not work?
20070510 14:37:57 | master@irc | all fine, i think, just some glitches
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20070511 08:03:05 | Susannah@jabber | Hello, this is Susannah from the RIPE NCC and I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you are participating remotely and want to ask a question or make a comment I can read it out for you. I'll read out any questions when the speaker has finished his/her presentation and asked for questions. 
20070511 08:06:13 | Susannah@jabber | Juergen's presentation has started.
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20070511 08:27:45 | shane@jabber | i.like the.dot format.
20070511 08:28:07 | shane@jabber | Then again, I don't have a router so I probably don't get a vote.
20070511 08:28:31 | arno@jabber | how do you connect to the intarweb?
20070511 08:28:40 | shane@jabber | Someone somewhere has a router I guess.
20070511 08:28:44 | alexlh@jabber | avian carriers?
20070511 08:29:14 | shane@jabber | The avian carriers in my neighborhood mostly just drop packets.
20070511 08:29:29 | alexlh@jabber | I don't think those are packets ;)
20070511 08:29:47 | arno@jabber | maybe this helps?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G#Third-party_firmware_projects
20070511 08:30:00 | arno@jabber | don't know if they do the.dot format though :)
20070511 08:31:12 | Susannah@jabber | Juergen has asked for questions.
20070511 08:32:59 | Susannah@jabber | Juergen's presentation has finished. 
20070511 08:33:24 | Susannah@jabber | Max's presentation has started
20070511 08:37:57 | arno@jabber | Max has finished his presentation and is asking for comments
20070511 08:40:28 | arno@jabber | next up, presentation about the network connectivity and ddos on the estonian networks.
20070511 08:40:48 | shane@jabber | Ah, the traditional "what went wrong with the network" presentation...
20070511 08:41:22 | shane@jabber | This one is new though!
20070511 08:41:35 | arno@jabber | yes.. national level "my network went down"
20070511 08:47:34 | Susannah@jabber | Are there any questions
20070511 08:57:44 | [rvs]@irc | previously kids would just hang out on the streets with their mopeds or scooters... *sigh*
20070511 09:05:59 | Susannah@jabber | Jim's presentation has started.
20070511 09:08:21 | Susannah@jabber | Jim's presentation has ended.
20070511 09:09:30 | Susannah@jabber | Malcolm's presentation as started\
20070511 09:09:43 | Susannah@jabber | (although he not using slides)
20070511 09:14:14 | Susannah@jabber | Are there any questions.
20070511 09:16:39 | Susannah@jabber | Malcom has finished his presentation.
20070511 09:17:24 | Susannah@jabber | Nina is giving an update on the IP Anti Spoofing Task Force
20070511 09:19:05 | Susannah@jabber | Nina has finished her update.
20070511 09:19:41 | Susannah@jabber | Jameshas started his presentation
20070511 09:25:36 | Susannah@jabber | James has finished his presentation.
20070511 09:26:47 | Susannah@jabber | The secret working group's presentation has started. 
20070511 09:35:31 | Susannah@jabber | The presentation has finished
20070511 09:39:52 | Susannah@jabber | The closing plenary has ended.
20070511 09:40:04 | Susannah@jabber | And RIPE 54 is over!
20070511 09:40:10 | Susannah@jabber | :)\
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