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20070509 08:34:44 | Agata@jabber | Hi, my name is Agata Peszkowska from the RIPE NCC
I will be monitoring this channel during this session.
If you have any questions and'or comments, I can read them out.
Please make your questions as clear as possible.
I will read them out when speaker asks for questions/comments at the end of their presentation.
20070509 08:37:41 | master@irc | master has joined the channel.
20070509 08:46:14 | Agata@jabber | Alex le Heux has finished his presentation, so pls let me know if you have any questions.
20070509 08:50:53 | master@irc | no working webcast, no questions :(
20070509 08:52:10 | Agata@jabber | so i've heard as well... :(
20070509 09:01:24 | Niels@jabber | No webcast, that's a real pity
20070509 09:01:41 | Niels@jabber | EIX audio works fine, FWIW
20070509 09:01:41 | nick@irc | oooh, webcast is working again
20070509 09:02:21 | nick@irc | dunno about the main url, but mms://wmslave.fsknet.dk/ripemt has just started coming through loud and clear
20070509 09:07:43 | master@irc | hmja routing via telia again, works
20070509 09:07:44 | master@irc | fine
20070509 09:07:49 | master@irc | thanks whoeve rfixed it
20070509 09:10:27 | Niels@jabber | nick - that URL should perhaps be listed more prominently on the RIPE website, if the main mirror site just fails to work reliably for many people right now
20070509 09:10:52 | nick@irc | is the main url not working right now?  i dunno
20070509 09:11:05 | master@irc | yes, MMS
20070509 09:11:15 | master@irc | not sure about QT, didn't work for me at all yesterday (VLC, QT)
20070509 09:11:23 | nick@irc | i gave up on qt yesterday
20070509 09:12:17 | Niels@jabber | mms://wmslave.fsknet.dk/ripemtg doesn't give much either :(
20070509 09:12:44 | master@irc | ok QT still doesnt work for me but might (still) be a local problem :)
20070509 09:13:05 | master@irc | mms://webcast.ripe.net/ripemtg works fine from "here" now 
20070509 09:13:20 | master@irc | once again the route to the Meeting went over telia again
20070509 09:13:53 | master@irc | hm i think i commented on that proposal enough on the list and i don't know what i missed during the webcast outage so hmm wait and see
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20070509 09:14:34 | Niels@jabber | mms://webcast.ripe.net/ripemtg gives a white screen here (I'm in Tallinn at the RIPE mtg)
20070509 09:15:31 | Niels@jabber | the WMV stream hangs QuickTime Player pretty reliably. :( (with the flip4mac plugin)
20070509 09:15:36 | master@irc | ahh Jordi got my point :) 
20070509 09:15:44 | hph@irc | Works well from my office in Oslo
20070509 09:20:24 | master@irc | did i mention i hate democracy? just pass the damned thing and discuss details later 
20070509 09:20:58 | master@irc | other policy issues can be resolved in another proposal
20070509 09:23:04 | hph@irc | I support taking out the 200 clause - I am not so shure about the new clause b
20070509 09:24:14 | Agata@jabber | do you want me to read it out to wg?
20070509 09:24:42 | master@irc | i don't care about it since you can't enforce it (RIPE) anyways, routing is de-central... so leave it out or in is not any of my concerns right now, of course it doesn't make much sense if you don't enforce it but well
20070509 09:25:15 | master@irc | i'm a little concerend about the proposal (removal of 200 customer requirements) is not coming through with this lenghtly discussion
20070509 09:25:53 | Agata@jabber | fyi session has now ended
20070509 09:25:59 | master@irc | hmja
20070509 09:26:08 | master@irc | lunch is always a nice idea :)
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20070509 11:01:35 | Agata@jabber | Hi, I'm Agata Peszkowska from the RIPE NCC
I will be monitoring this channel during this session.
If you have any questions and'or comments, I can read them out.
Please make your questions as clear as possible and do confirm
(state your name and affiliation) whether you would like to have
your comments read out to the audience.
I will read then out when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
20070509 11:04:47 | shane@jabber | Which policy proposal is this?
20070509 11:05:08 | rhe-786@irc | 2006-1 ?
20070509 11:05:25 | nick@irc | 2006-02
20070509 11:06:44 | rhe-786@irc | I'm pretty sure it is -1, -2 was discussed before lunch.
20070509 11:12:52 | master@irc | -01 obviously
20070509 11:14:31 | nick@irc | obviously
20070509 11:17:38 | nick@irc | vote from IRC: we really need an ipv6 policy
20070509 11:18:25 | master@irc | PI you mean
20070509 11:18:34 | nick@irc | PI policy, I mean
20070509 11:19:46 | nick@irc | http://mauve.bikeshed.com/
20070509 11:19:52 | master@irc | can i remotely throw eggs? :)
20070509 11:19:53 | nick@irc | http://pink.bikeshed.com/
20070509 11:20:10 | nick@irc | master:  you could certainly propose a policy for it?
20070509 11:20:25 | master@irc | that's more like an operational matter :->
20070509 11:32:36 | master@irc | *sigh* 
20070509 11:33:01 | Leo@jabber | Sigh?
20070509 11:33:06 | nick@irc |  more going around in circles
20070509 11:33:35 | master@irc | yap
20070509 11:33:47 | master@irc | but it's what you expect, so only *sigh*
20070509 11:43:57 | shane@jabber | Go Paul!
20070509 11:44:06 | shane@jabber | RIPE shouldn't live in fear.
20070509 11:45:40 | nick@irc | was that raymon jetten from Saunalahden Serveri Oy who spoke on 2007-01?
20070509 11:45:45 | nick@irc | raymond
20070509 11:46:03 | arno@jabber | yes
20070509 11:46:08 | nick@irc | ok, ta
20070509 11:50:15 | kurtis@jabber | Is there a scribe for the AP session?
20070509 11:50:45 | Agata@jabber | yes, Arno
20070509 11:50:58 | arno@jabber | yeah, I'm busy, note the smoke from my keyboard :)
20070509 11:51:06 | kurtis@jabber | Ok. How far in the agenda are you?
20070509 11:51:22 | kurtis@jabber | I am in EIX and can't really listen to the web-cast :-)
20070509 11:51:34 | arno@jabber | 3 more proposals, an informal proposal
20070509 11:51:42 | arno@jabber | and AOB
20070509 11:51:46 | arno@jabber | that's it
20070509 11:51:58 | kurtis@jabber | So has Jordi's routes to anyone been discussed?
20070509 11:52:55 | kurtis@jabber | So btw with Scribe I meant Jabber scribe?
20070509 11:53:31 | arno@jabber | Jabber scribe is Agata, I am scribe scribe
20070509 11:53:37 | kurtis@jabber | ok
20070509 11:56:30 | Agata@jabber | as a reminder, if you want to have your comments/questions read out to the audience please make sure to confirm your request
20070509 11:57:05 | kurtis@jabber | I was more interested in trying to follow progress in AP as I am in EIX.
20070509 11:57:44 | kurtis@jabber | Because I would have like to come over for some of the proposals and make it back here for my presentation
20070509 11:57:57 | kurtis@jabber | Now I forgot about the Jabber service though :)
20070509 11:58:04 | master@irc | hehe too late :) but well
20070509 11:58:19 | master@irc | not really intersting discussions this time (IMHO only)
20070509 11:59:25 | master@irc | i didn't hear anything not already on the mainlinglists so no need for me to add anything i already mentioned on the list - not to make the time problem more tense :)
20070509 12:15:19 | master@irc | well make a ripe-document out of the proposal not a policy hmm but well no time for comments, gert should have the Mics shut off earlier 
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20070509 12:31:09 | master@irc | good comment
20070509 12:34:37 | heldal@jabber | general acceptance of more specifics (RIR-allocation + x-bits) is dangerous as it opens up for general use for TE etc
20070509 12:35:38 | heldal@jabber | no of addresses is not the issue. tablesize is, until some genious can come up with a new concept to enable true hierarchical routing.
20070509 12:38:45 | master@irc | you have proof for that routing table size matters at all? everyone talking about it, i don't have much evidence :)
20070509 12:38:54 | master@irc | especially not in IPv6
20070509 12:39:02 | master@irc | but well, mailinglist,not here
20070509 12:39:26 | heldal@jabber | err...memory allocation failed!
20070509 12:40:53 | heldal@jabber | the average router's capacity at any given time is far from what at that given time is availble on the high-end boxes.
20070509 12:40:57 | master@irc | i have 1-2GB memory on Software platforms and 1G prefixes TCAM Space... hmm last a while so... what were you saying?
20070509 12:41:12 | master@irc | the average router doesn't need full tables
20070509 12:41:16 | master@irc | only your borders
20070509 12:41:20 | master@irc | not even your core (MPLS)
20070509 12:41:28 | master@irc | works pretty well 
20070509 12:41:54 | master@irc | (yes, i do see the problem, i'm only giving counter-arguments here and exagerate a little, no offencement)
20070509 12:42:20 | master@irc | like i said, not the place to discuss that here
20070509 12:42:38 | heldal@jabber | I exaggerate too, but try to emphasize that one size doesn't fit all
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20070509 12:46:28 | Agata@jabber | Session has now ended, thank you all for your participation.
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