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20060427 14:02:59 | Djinh@jabber | My name is Alex Le Heux, I will be monitoring this session.
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20060427 14:03:26 | Djinh@jabber | If you want me to relay anything to the microphone, please say so clearly and state your full name and affiliation.
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20060427 14:12:27 | master@irc | hehe don't use Macs :-> 
20060427 14:12:41 | master@irc | ..or only Macs
20060427 14:17:09 | Djinh@jabber | Gert Döring is starting his presentation about the global IPv6 routing table status.
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20060427 14:18:11 | Djinh@jabber | ...and he is already finished.
20060427 14:18:39 | master@irc | Hm good point, IPv6 just works nowerdays obviously :->
20060427 14:20:03 | Djinh@jabber | The next agenda point is the expiry of 6bone address assignments.
20060427 14:20:39 | master@irc | Well, i'd actually like to know about if we all start filtering or just "expire" the addresses and ignore 6.6.2006 practically... 
20060427 14:21:07 | master@irc | As in "do we encourage everyone to filter them"?
20060427 14:21:10 | Djinh@jabber | should I relay that to the microphone?
20060427 14:21:25 | master@irc | yes please, Sascha Lenz, from de.ok 
20060427 14:21:35 | jluk@irc | So Gert is saying we should filter it ?
20060427 14:21:51 | master@irc | hmja i think so just want clarification... i want to filter, too
20060427 14:22:30 | master@irc | ok, thanks
20060427 14:22:48 | Djinh@jabber | You're welcome :)
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20060427 14:23:26 | master@irc | ACK
20060427 14:23:47 | Djinh@jabber | The next agenda point is IPv6 allocation policies.
20060427 14:29:37 | Djinh@jabber | For those that joined us late: I am Alex Le Heux from the RIPE NCC and I am monitoring this session.
20060427 14:30:08 | Djinh@jabber | If you want me to relay anything to the microphone, please say so clearly and state your full name and affiliation.
20060427 14:32:23 | jluk@irc | You don't need to be an 'ISP' as such to get PA v6
20060427 14:33:44 | master@irc | Hm, i don't see an "ISP" thing in the Policies either, Assigning Addresses is not only an ISP thing, but well
20060427 14:34:28 | Djinh@irc | it doesn't say "ISP" as such, but there are the requirements of planning to assign to other organisations and announcing the aggregate.
20060427 14:34:38 | master@irc | We have two proposals,  IPv6 "PI" and getting rid off the 200-customer-rule for PA Allocations - do i miss anything else?
20060427 14:34:52 | jluk@irc | Not that I'm aware of
20060427 14:34:55 | master@irc | hm OK
20060427 14:35:07 | master@irc | so, probably just discusse those two? :-)
20060427 14:35:30 | Djinh@irc | there is also the /48 -> /56 proposal, but that's not about the initial allocation criteria
20060427 14:35:30 | master@irc | they obviously can't be solved on the mailing lists
20060427 14:35:38 | jluk@irc | The 200 rule is a complete waste of time.
20060427 14:35:43 | master@irc | ok i totally missed that one than
20060427 14:36:00 | Djinh@irc | It's 2005-08
20060427 14:36:14 | master@irc | hmja just found it, hm
20060427 14:39:27 | Djinh@jabber | The next agenda point is the Future of the working group.
20060427 14:39:33 | jluk@irc | It seems that the only issues remaining with V6 are address policy issues.
20060427 14:39:57 | jluk@irc | at least until there actually is something back from shim6 et al.
20060427 14:40:30 | cfriacas@jabber | to the microphone: the ipv6-wg should focus on deployment experiences
20060427 14:40:37 | cfriacas@jabber | carlos friacas, FCCN
20060427 14:40:56 | cfriacas@jabber | gert doring gave a good example on the plenary (EOF?)
20060427 14:41:14 | jluk@irc | That would be sensible - leave address policy to the AP wg
20060427 14:41:22 | master@irc | Probably rather more aggressive... encourage Uplinks and customers for IPv6  
20060427 14:41:24 | cfriacas@jabber | YEP
20060427 14:41:32 | master@irc | unfortunately i have a customer standing by me now *sigh*
20060427 14:42:16 | Niels@irc | I'm surrounded by customers at meetings like this
20060427 14:42:18 | master@irc | hmja the problem might be, not enough people have deployed IPv6... so, do something about that ... but no clue how, i'm not a marketing guy
20060427 14:42:25 | cfriacas@jabber | the "what have i done on the last 12 months about ipv6 on my organization" topic should also be a nice topic
20060427 14:42:39 | master@irc | niels: if i'd be at the meeting, i wouldn't have to comment on IRC 
20060427 14:43:02 | cfriacas@jabber | or the topic "what are the barriers to IPv6 inside my organization"
20060427 14:43:17 | jluk@irc | Having moved out of the 'ISP' business, I've got v6 throughout my current organisation, but it's only available via tunnels
20060427 14:43:34 | Niels@irc | cfriacas - lack of PI for my organisation is definitely keeping its usability down
20060427 14:43:40 | jluk@irc | We need a push to the providers to give v6 at the CPE
20060427 14:43:53 | cfriacas@jabber | if customers want it, yes
20060427 14:43:55 | cfriacas@jabber | :-)
20060427 14:44:08 | Niels@irc | jluk: waiting for mine to shape up :/ only promises so far
20060427 14:44:17 | master@irc | yes, just let's focus on do something about that... any NEW, WORKING ideas what one could do about the deployment thing? (besides IPv6 PI, not again please)
20060427 14:44:38 | Djinh@irc | ipv6 capable dsl routers maybe?
20060427 14:44:42 | master@irc | i guess that's a good way to go with the WG, as long as there are some people who want to get active with that
20060427 14:45:12 | master@irc | djinh: yes, for example, i don't see any out-of-the-box IPv6 capable Enduser DSL Routers in the market 
20060427 14:45:17 | Niels@irc | IPv6 capable PE routers; cisco stopping to suck with v6 support in e.g. GSR; Juniper not charging arm + leg for v6 support for e.g. ERX
20060427 14:45:22 | cfriacas@jabber | i can come up with a presentation about the ipv6 capabilities of a DSL vendor...
20060427 14:45:27 | master@irc | so, bug the producers
20060427 14:45:33 | Niels@irc | and CPE support, as Djinh said, yes
20060427 14:46:05 | Djinh@jabber | cfriacas, you could contact the WG chair about that, I'm sure he would be delighted :)
20060427 14:46:05 | master@irc | the problem is, that is not technical work but lobbying, not quite the right people to do that in the WG i guess?!
20060427 14:46:29 | cfriacas@jabber | it would be great if other people (like jordi in the beginning) could present data about v6 traffic
20060427 14:46:40 | jluk@irc | master: that's the thing - tecnically (leaving out PI) the V6 works.
20060427 14:46:58 | Djinh@jabber | The next agenda point is the depreciation of ip6.int
20060427 14:47:33 | master@irc | correct
20060427 14:50:37 | master@irc | Just some "press-releases" and contact the Holders of ip6.int delegations, that's it
20060427 14:53:02 | Djinh@jabber | The next agenda point is Developments/Initiatives regarding IPv6 in the RIPE region.
20060427 14:53:27 | Djinh@jabber | Here people can make short announcements of their initiatives.
20060427 14:54:10 | jluk@irc | what was that URL ?
20060427 14:54:21 | Djinh@jabber | The next agenda item is Input for the RIPE NCC Activity Plan.
20060427 14:54:34 | Djinh@jabber | And then the AOB.
20060427 14:54:58 | Djinh@jabber | This session has now ended.
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20060427 14:55:54 | master@irc | jo, that's it then for now, bye
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