2005-05-04 [08:42:37] * Djinh has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [08:43:43] --- rhe has become available 2005-05-04 [08:53:41] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [08:54:23] --- ian has become available 2005-05-04 [09:03:00] --- shane has become available 2005-05-04 [09:07:05] --- bat has become available 2005-05-04 [09:13:41] Current pewsentation is: From IPv6 networks to large scale developmnet 2005-05-04 [09:27:05] * jluk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [09:40:40] --- jaap has become available 2005-05-04 [09:47:11] --- cagri has become available 2005-05-04 [09:57:43] --- bat has left 2005-05-04 [09:59:46] --- bat has become available 2005-05-04 [09:59:49] --- cagri has left: Logged out 2005-05-04 [10:00:15] Anyone has question to the speaker? 2005-05-04 [10:04:07] Just to remind everyone, the topic of the presentation is: From IPv6 networks to large scale developmnet 2005-05-04 [10:04:40] deployment :) 2005-05-04 [10:05:00] Right! 2005-05-04 [10:05:18] And, next presentation just starts:) 2005-05-04 [10:06:35] The topic is: Operational considerations of mobile Networks at 10000 meters 2005-05-04 [10:13:12] --- ferenc has become available 2005-05-04 [10:18:15] --- borja has become available 2005-05-04 [10:19:12] --- borja has left 2005-05-04 [10:22:36] --- Fearghas has become available 2005-05-04 [10:22:56] --- arno has become available 2005-05-04 [10:27:24] --- omuravskiy has become available 2005-05-04 [10:28:09] Any questions to the pseaker? 2005-05-04 [10:33:52] --- borja has become available 2005-05-04 [10:34:16] --- borja has left 2005-05-04 [10:34:21] Coffee break! 2005-05-04 [10:40:28] --- iljitsch has become available 2005-05-04 [10:42:07] --- arno has left 2005-05-04 [10:42:54] --- ian has left 2005-05-04 [10:53:47] --- ian has become available 2005-05-04 [10:54:46] --- omuravskiy has left: Replaced by new connection 2005-05-04 [10:54:55] --- arno has become available 2005-05-04 [10:56:55] Hi, i'll be monitoring jabber for this room. If you have any Qs please tell me and I will read it out at the end of the presentation. 2005-05-04 [10:57:28] i'll be monitoring till 12:30 2005-05-04 [10:58:49] --- bat has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [10:59:39] --- willem has become available 2005-05-04 [11:00:39] * sv-- has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [11:01:38] (sv--) huhu 2005-05-04 [11:04:02] --- jeroen has left 2005-05-04 [11:04:13] * prt has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [11:06:31] close the blinds a bit, then you also take shots of the audience.. 2005-05-04 [11:06:38] ( 2005-05-04 [11:09:27] --- dr has become available 2005-05-04 [11:09:46] --- geoff has become available 2005-05-04 [11:13:49] (KnockandO) willem: Nobody take any shots of the audience! 2005-05-04 [11:13:52] (KnockandO) *hiding* 2005-05-04 [11:13:55] yeah people from cisco should talk about classfulness, their configuration commands also have it all over the place! 2005-05-04 [11:14:11] (KnockandO) iljitsch: And don't forget the CCNwhatever course material. 2005-05-04 [11:14:29] you can't forget what you never knew in the first place. :-) 2005-05-04 [11:14:35] (jluk) cisco also still teaches classfull routing 2005-05-04 [11:15:11] the truth is you still need to know it, so it's not a question of whether classes are taught, but whether it's immediately followed by cidr or not. 2005-05-04 [11:15:48] (will) outside of the ISP industry most people will refer to A/B/C rather than CIDR notation 2005-05-04 [11:16:08] (KnockandO) iljitsch: Yupm unfortunately, parts of the configuration need you to know about it. 2005-05-04 [11:16:21] (KnockandO) (aka "know what you're doing to the box and know what it thinks about it) 2005-05-04 [11:19:08] Can someone say into the mike: what exactly do you mean by "different ways to multihome" 2005-05-04 [11:19:45] ok i'll do 2005-05-04 [11:21:52] --- Ruud has become available 2005-05-04 [11:23:23] --- levigner has become available 2005-05-04 [11:25:36] (jluk) It's still the same way to multihome though - you setup a bgp session etc etc. The mechanism's are still the same. 2005-05-04 [11:26:01] it's not just the configuration, it's also the way info is displayed by the router, when things match classful the prefix isn't listed (often) 2005-05-04 [11:26:14] You can multihome without BGP. 2005-05-04 [11:26:17] For instance. 2005-05-04 [11:26:29] --- omuravskiy has become available 2005-05-04 [11:27:04] when cisco changes default etc., their enterprise customers start to scream big time :-Z 2005-05-04 [11:27:30] all they usually know is classful foo (at least that's the impression I got when consulting in some for network stuff) 2005-05-04 [11:28:24] they changed other stuff too and they have millions of different feature sets so I'm not buying that argument. 2005-05-04 [11:29:51] --- marcos.sanz has become available 2005-05-04 [11:38:51] * ivan_bev has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [11:42:43] --- geoff has left 2005-05-04 [11:46:41] (jluk) because when you're testing something, you can end up attempting lots of calls that never connect 2005-05-04 [11:47:13] --- geoff has become available 2005-05-04 [11:53:46] --- fil has become available 2005-05-04 [12:11:25] --- geoff has left 2005-05-04 [12:12:35] --- omuravskiy has left 2005-05-04 [12:16:34] --- Fearghas has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [12:22:20] --- ian has left 2005-05-04 [12:23:46] (jluk) The business case is that if you rely on the Internet for your business to operate efficiently then you rely on the data you receive being correct - that includes dns data 2005-05-04 [12:27:13] * sv-- quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [12:27:30] --- Flora has become available 2005-05-04 [12:29:11] (jluk) most end users don't even know dns exists. 2005-05-04 [12:29:25] But they know when it breaks. 2005-05-04 [12:29:42] they think "the internet" breaks when dns goes.. 2005-05-04 [12:29:48] (jluk) true 2005-05-04 [12:30:01] --- borja has become available 2005-05-04 [12:30:06] s/the internet/the web/ 2005-05-04 [12:30:27] for most: "the internet" == "the web" 2005-05-04 [12:30:27] --- borja has left 2005-05-04 [12:30:29] no, they see the web as "the internet" 2005-05-04 [12:30:34] (jluk) to the end user, the internet and 'the web' are the same 2005-05-04 [12:30:43] even for RIPE NCC ;> 2005-05-04 [12:30:47] see "webcast" 2005-05-04 [12:30:48] wow, only three times :) 2005-05-04 [12:31:14] the streaming doesn't have anything to do with HTTP and WWW but still being called webcast ;> 2005-05-04 [12:31:22] --- jaap has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [12:31:22] --- levigner has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [12:31:22] --- marcos.sanz has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [12:31:36] (KnockandO) Yup - because the link's on the web :) 2005-05-04 [12:31:46] (KnockandO) jluk: The Interweb? 2005-05-04 [12:32:06] intarweb 2005-05-04 [12:32:12] (KnockandO) *g* 2005-05-04 [12:32:16] * sv-- has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [12:32:23] (KnockandO) You may as well gzip it :) 2005-05-04 [12:32:23] (jluk) :) 2005-05-04 [12:32:39] --- levigner has become available 2005-05-04 [12:33:41] --- Flora has left 2005-05-04 [12:37:13] --- shane has left 2005-05-04 [12:37:25] --- fil has left 2005-05-04 [12:42:54] * ivan_bev quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [12:46:16] --- ferenc has left 2005-05-04 [12:48:13] * uk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [13:05:53] --- rhe has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [13:06:26] --- levigner has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [13:07:48] * prt quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [13:12:49] --- arno has left 2005-05-04 [13:17:53] --- iratxe has become available 2005-05-04 [13:20:25] --- iratxe has left 2005-05-04 [13:21:32] --- iratxe has become available 2005-05-04 [13:22:01] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [13:27:34] --- rhe has become available 2005-05-04 [13:39:31] * [rvs] has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [13:49:42] --- marcos.sanz has become available 2005-05-04 [13:51:24] --- willem has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [13:52:50] --- willem has become available 2005-05-04 [13:53:05] --- willem has left: Logged out 2005-05-04 [13:53:49] Hi, I am here from the RIPE NCC and I will be monitoring this channel. If you have a question or comment that like me to read out during the session, please let me know.  Remember to give me your full name and the name of the organization you are representing. 2005-05-04 [13:57:25] (evilmarq) hi 2005-05-04 [13:59:20] * ivan_bev has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [14:00:54] * sv-- quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [14:01:13] --- rumy has become available 2005-05-04 [14:03:04] --- Flora has become available 2005-05-04 [14:03:35] --- Fearghas has become available 2005-05-04 [14:04:00] I didn't hear... what was postponed until tomorrow? 2005-05-04 [14:04:15] the report on the NRO's 2005-05-04 [14:04:27] or from the NRO, rather :) 2005-05-04 [14:04:33] any idea what time geoff will be on? 2005-05-04 [14:05:01] he is presenting twice, I think 2005-05-04 [14:05:17] once between 14 and 1530 2005-05-04 [14:05:31] and then between 16 and 1730 2005-05-04 [14:06:24] * JC has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [14:07:30] http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/plenary-program-wednesday.html 2005-05-04 [14:08:45] annoying that there is also http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/plenary-agenda.html 2005-05-04 [14:09:21] that's the short version. if you click on the date you go to the other link for the longer version 2005-05-04 [14:09:26] why can't I reach afrinic over IPv6? 2005-05-04 [14:10:25] --- geoff has become available 2005-05-04 [14:10:56] --- jhma has become available 2005-05-04 [14:15:13] * JC quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [14:17:22] --- willem has become available 2005-05-04 [14:30:07] --- edlewis has become available 2005-05-04 [14:31:38] --- edlewis has left: Logged out 2005-05-04 [14:32:20] ? I can't understand what the speaker is saying... anyone have a pointer to this info? (presentation sheets or something) 2005-05-04 [14:34:05] "Global policy update" in http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/uploads/Wednesday/ 2005-05-04 [14:34:31] * prt has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [14:34:36] thanx 2005-05-04 [14:47:28] question: can we get statistics about returned address space as well? 2005-05-04 [14:58:42] --- dr has left 2005-05-04 [14:58:43] --- dr has become available 2005-05-04 [14:58:44] Is this question related to Leo´s presentation? 2005-05-04 [15:03:48] yes 2005-05-04 [15:05:27] thanks. Can I have your full name? 2005-05-04 [15:05:49] http://www.muada.com/ 2005-05-04 [15:06:26] thanks 2005-05-04 [15:14:53] --- jaap has become available 2005-05-04 [15:15:16] --- fil has become available 2005-05-04 [15:19:27] Are we going to revisit the hd ratio? 2005-05-04 [15:19:41] it has lots of strange assumptions. 2005-05-04 [15:20:15] (jluk) I often wondered where the 0.8 number actually came from 2005-05-04 [15:20:35] (FYI: if you take the current IPv4 space and subtract unusable and IANA reserved space, you get a HD ratio of 90.5%, EVEN with all those pre-CIDR blocks out there) 2005-05-04 [15:21:22] * prt quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [15:24:25] it's unfair because it treats everyone the same??? :-) 2005-05-04 [15:24:29] Who is asking question -- I'm afraid I didn't hear . . . 2005-05-04 [15:24:44] And can't see . . . 2005-05-04 [15:24:48] mark mcfadden 2005-05-04 [15:24:55] Thx 2005-05-04 [15:27:46] Question: where are we going to discuss this in email? 2005-05-04 [15:34:13] thanks. Do you mean in which wg mailing list?. Paul Rendek will mention this later. 2005-05-04 [15:35:29] ping 2005-05-04 [15:35:57] I said: isn't this about finished? I don't want to stay online for 2 more hours just to find out which mailinglist. 2005-05-04 [15:36:47] (jluk) what ?? you mean you've got something else to do :) 2005-05-04 [15:37:14] yes, not everyone can fly off to sweden to listen to geoff whenever he/she wants... :-) 2005-05-04 [15:37:52] (evilmarq) address policy list, then 2005-05-04 [15:38:10] hmmm but isn't this a global thing? 2005-05-04 [15:38:21] global-v6 2005-05-04 [15:38:31] ok then 2005-05-04 [15:38:31] if you consider it a policy thing 2005-05-04 [15:38:51] first discuss it then we know if it's a policy thing... 2005-05-04 [15:39:02] (jluk) it is a policy thing, but not just specific to the RIPE region. 2005-05-04 [15:39:19] you can argue both ways... policy (NRO) or architecture (IETF) easily 2005-05-04 [15:39:41] that's why it's important that we all go to the same list, whichever it is. 2005-05-04 [15:40:03] the main difference is that you might come to something like consensus within 12 months ) instead of 5+ yrs (IETF) *g* 2005-05-04 [15:40:20] nonsense 2005-05-04 [15:40:59] was a cheap shot. :-) 2005-05-04 [15:41:04] right on thomas 2005-05-04 [15:41:08] by you, you mean? 2005-05-04 [15:41:12] yes 2005-05-04 [15:45:19] --- rumy has left 2005-05-04 [15:46:13] --- iljitsch has left 2005-05-04 [15:47:14] --- Flora has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [15:52:00] --- iratxe has left 2005-05-04 [15:59:17] --- Flora has become available 2005-05-04 [16:00:11] hi everybody 2005-05-04 [16:00:55] eljitsch: concerning your question for Leo, I guess you can send him an email and he will answer back to you 2005-05-04 [16:00:56] --- Ruud has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [16:01:44] --- Flora has left: Logged out 2005-05-04 [16:02:04] --- Flora has become available 2005-05-04 [16:06:26] --- fil has left 2005-05-04 [16:07:23] Hi there 2005-05-04 [16:07:31] I am here from the RIPE NCC and I will be monitoring this channel. If you have a question or comment that like me to read out during the session, please let me know. 2005-05-04 [16:08:20] and please give me your full name and the name of the organization you are representing, thanks 2005-05-04 [16:09:39] --- shane has become available 2005-05-04 [16:11:07] * [rvs] quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [16:17:10] * [rvs] has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [16:26:39] Flora: question: are there any real efforts to come to a global authentication and authorization model for a real IRR (down from IANA to all RIRs)? We do have the tools, but only for the RIPE region yet. 2005-05-04 [16:26:56] Flora: my name's Daniel Roesen, representing noone 2005-05-04 [16:28:33] i'll ask 2005-05-04 [16:28:49] thx 2005-05-04 [16:29:43] * [rvs] quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [16:30:18] * prt has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [16:30:32] I'm talking about stuff like mnt-routes etc. 2005-05-04 [16:30:41] route objects which need authorization etc. 2005-05-04 [16:32:09] thanks shane, exactly my point 2005-05-04 [16:32:56] (prt) ftp 2005-05-04 [16:32:59] (prt) bah 2005-05-04 [16:34:14] * Brett quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [16:35:00] hehe, ruediger is making my point in -vvv :-) 2005-05-04 [16:37:52] * KeithM has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [16:43:29] --- marcos.sanz has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [16:43:42] --- rumy has become available 2005-05-04 [17:17:13] --- jhma has left 2005-05-04 [17:20:41] * sv-- has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [17:22:23] --- jaap has left 2005-05-04 [17:22:51] --- geoff has left 2005-05-04 [17:24:04] --- damien has become available 2005-05-04 [17:36:35] --- fil has become available 2005-05-04 [17:36:35] --- willem has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [17:36:53] * sv-- quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [17:37:49] * KeithM has left the channel. 2005-05-04 [17:39:37] * ivan_bev has left the channel. 2005-05-04 [17:40:04] --- Flora has left 2005-05-04 [17:40:09] --- rumy has left 2005-05-04 [17:40:22] --- shane has left 2005-05-04 [17:41:28] --- damien has left 2005-05-04 [17:47:53] --- fil has left 2005-05-04 [17:48:52] * jluk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [17:51:39] * uk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [17:53:57] * prt quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [17:57:39] --- rhe has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [18:03:20] --- Fearghas has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [18:03:59] --- dr has left 2005-05-04 [18:04:00] * [rvs] has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [18:09:27] --- dr has become available 2005-05-04 [18:12:34] --- dr has left 2005-05-04 [18:12:35] --- dr has become available 2005-05-04 [18:29:33] * [rvs] quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [18:32:49] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [18:35:52] * uk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [18:36:44] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [18:58:56] --- cagri has become available 2005-05-04 [18:59:09] --- cagri has left 2005-05-04 [19:02:06] --- irc has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [19:15:27] --- LOGGING STARTED 2005-05-04 [19:20:53] --- LOGGING STARTED 2005-05-04 [19:28:11] --- cagri has become available 2005-05-04 [19:28:24] --- irc has become available 2005-05-04 [19:29:08] --- cagri has left 2005-05-04 [19:29:47] --- irc has left: Disconnected 2005-05-04 [19:31:31] --- irc has become available 2005-05-04 [19:47:18] * uk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [19:48:00] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [20:03:30] * uk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [20:04:16] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [21:06:13] --- dr has become available 2005-05-04 [21:24:21] * uk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [21:27:01] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [21:52:49] * uk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [21:53:25] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [22:05:01] * uk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [22:11:50] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [22:27:14] * uk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [22:41:03] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [22:47:35] * uk quit IRC altogether 2005-05-04 [22:57:15] * uk has joined the channel. 2005-05-04 [23:11:48] --- dr has left 2005-05-04 [23:44:33] * uk quit IRC altogether