20040126 21:37:59 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040126 21:40:26 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040126 21:54:55 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040127 12:25:30 | gucci@irc | gucci has joined the channel. 20040127 14:12:14 | koopal@irc | koopal has joined the channel. 20040127 14:14:34 | evilmark@irc | evilmark has joined the channel. 20040127 14:46:39 | uk3@irc | uk3 has joined the channel. 20040127 15:05:21 | maxxwell@irc | maxxwell has joined the channel. 20040127 15:07:22 | iljitsch@jabber | *iljitsch* iljitsch has become available 20040127 15:07:41 | iljitsch@jabber | hi andre 20040127 15:08:35 | olaf@jabber | *olaf* olaf has become available 20040127 15:14:10 | koopal@irc | pity irc jabber wasn't announced again 20040127 15:16:46 | koopal@irc | if nobody else will, I will relay questions 20040127 15:25:06 | koopal@irc | brb, sorry 20040127 15:28:19 | koopal@irc | re 20040127 15:28:40 | iljitsch@jabber | is the jabber hostname even to be found anywhere on the site? 20040127 15:29:14 | evilmark@irc | http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/feedback.html 20040127 15:29:17 | evilmark@irc | jabber.ripe.net 20040127 15:30:05 | iljitsch@jabber | nope it's conference.ripe.net 20040127 15:30:17 | evilmark@irc | interesting 20040127 15:30:33 | iljitsch@jabber | you need to register at the other one though, but c.r.n hosts the group chats 20040127 15:30:53 | mally@irc | mally has joined the channel. 20040127 15:31:15 | evilmark@irc | cretins will do a whois and use the first address they find, and report abuse to me as i'm the last changed: entry 20040127 15:31:17 | evilmark@irc | oops 20040127 15:31:33 | evilmark@irc | wrong window :) 20040127 15:32:08 | iljitsch@jabber | on-topic: 20040127 15:32:31 | evilmark@irc | it's more on topic in #anti-spam which is where it was meant for :) 20040127 15:33:09 | iljitsch@jabber | I'm very disappointed that the autoconfiguring a DNS resolver for IPv6 problem isn't even mentioned. I guess I'll just have to go back to dnsop and start the whole discussion again there. 20040127 15:37:15 | jhma@irc | jhma has joined the channel. 20040127 15:37:40 | jhma@jabber | *jhma* jhma has become available 20040127 15:37:51 | jhma@irc | jhma quit IRC altogether 20040127 15:56:50 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has become available 20040127 15:59:45 | kurtis@irc | kurtis has joined the channel. 20040127 16:06:40 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has left 20040127 16:14:37 | dfk@jabber | *dfk* dfk has become available 20040127 16:17:47 | dfk@jabber | dnsop needs constance care and feeding ;-( 20040127 16:18:06 | dfk@jabber | s/constance/constant/ 20040127 16:20:21 | bruce@jabber | *bruce* bruce has become available 20040127 16:21:13 | dfk@jabber | questions? 20040127 16:21:55 | bruce@jabber | lameness is a seperate issue. 20040127 16:23:26 | bruce@jabber | did olaf mention the implementation time? (as someone who has been out in the hallway during the presentation) 20040127 16:23:36 | dfk@jabber | no 20040127 16:24:02 | koopal@irc | olaf provided the timeline 20040127 16:24:17 | dfk@jabber | then *I* was distracted 20040127 16:24:27 | koopal@irc | grin 20040127 16:24:53 | bruce@jabber | (otherwise I'm involved in the backend of this, and any questions I've got are fiddly implementation things ;) ) 20040127 16:26:20 | jhma@jabber | *jhma* jhma has left 20040127 16:28:19 | olaf@jabber | *olaf* olaf has left 20040127 16:28:32 | dfk@jabber | *dfk* dfk has left 20040127 16:31:00 | iljitsch@jabber | *iljitsch* iljitsch has left 20040127 16:44:43 | mally@irc | mally has left the channel. 20040127 16:52:24 | gucci@irc | gucci has left the channel. 20040127 16:55:18 | koopal@irc | koopal has left the channel. 20040127 16:56:40 | uk3@irc | uk3 has left the channel. 20040127 17:04:04 | maxxwell@irc | maxxwell has left the channel. 20040127 17:53:35 | jt-@irc | jt- has joined the channel. 20040127 18:53:15 | jt-@irc | jt- quit IRC altogether 20040127 19:33:51 | BasicBaer@irc | BasicBaer has joined the channel. 20040127 19:42:20 | BasicBaer@irc | BasicBaer has left the channel. 20040127 21:39:41 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040127 21:44:43 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040127 22:09:38 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040127 22:11:29 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040127 22:14:36 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040127 22:19:49 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040128 00:16:27 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040128 08:11:11 | evilmark@irc | evilmark has left the channel. 20040128 10:05:21 | Marvin@irc | Marvin has joined the channel. 20040128 10:20:07 | Marvin@irc | Marvin has left the channel. 20040128 10:48:06 | papage@irc | papage has joined the channel. 20040128 11:30:09 | jabber@irc | jabber has joined the channel. 20040128 11:50:45 | papage@irc | papage quit IRC altogether 20040128 11:53:51 | iculater@irc | iculater has joined the channel. 20040128 11:54:26 | iculater@irc | iculater has left the channel. 20040129 07:57:08 | hakke@irc | hakke has joined the channel. 20040129 08:03:50 | evilmark@irc | evilmark has joined the channel. 20040129 08:05:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has become available 20040129 08:06:34 | bruce-hp@jabber | good morning all 20040129 08:08:57 | koopal@irc | koopal has joined the channel. 20040129 08:10:27 | bruce-hp@jabber | anyone watching from home, or is everyone physically here? 20040129 08:11:21 | hakke@irc | i'm listening from finland 20040129 08:11:46 | bruce-hp@jabber | (oooh, actions aren't gatewayed, thats clumsy of me 20040129 08:11:48 | bruce-hp@jabber | ) 20040129 08:12:20 | koopal@irc | feature request :-) 20040129 08:12:27 | koopal@irc | (or bug-fix?) 20040129 08:12:36 | bruce-hp@jabber | latter. 20040129 08:17:12 | hakke@irc | shame there isn't video stream 20040129 08:17:21 | bruce-hp@jabber | polish registry starting. 20040129 08:17:37 | bruce-hp@jabber | hakke: next meeting I might have the budget for it. 20040129 08:18:02 | bruce-hp@jabber | it'd be a basic view of the slides + presenter (if you know the layout of the st johns room II) 20040129 08:18:19 | hakke@irc | i've been there 20040129 08:18:25 | bruce-hp@jabber | as we don't have the personnel to do the fancy control stuff that we do in the grand ballroom 20040129 08:19:49 | evilmark@irc | hire me to do it 20040129 08:19:55 | evilmark@irc | 100K euro for the week 20040129 08:20:25 | koopal@irc | would be nice if at least the presentions were already available publicly 20040129 08:20:57 | bruce-hp@jabber | mark: *snort* 20040129 08:22:13 | bruce-hp@jabber | nice spike on 7th sep 2003. 20040129 08:22:20 | evilmark@irc | yeah, the presentations should be available 20040129 08:22:32 | evilmark@irc | as should the minutes be done the week after the meeting, not the week before the next one. 20040129 08:23:54 | bruce-hp@jabber | did 1500 in first week sep 2003, slow rise up to 20th oct, then nearly flat line growth since. 20040129 08:24:11 | bruce-hp@jabber | s/slow/gradual/ 20040129 08:24:55 | bruce-hp@jabber | mark; we ask for them, the chairs are meant to pass that onto the presenters, but... 20040129 08:25:27 | koopal@irc | the ftp repository used to setup the presenters laptop, is that available? 20040129 08:25:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | for the presenters, yes. 20040129 08:26:02 | koopal@irc | so not publicly 20040129 08:26:14 | bruce-hp@jabber | (koopal is physically right next to me ;) ) 20040129 08:26:29 | koopal@irc | but talking in the room shouldn't be done :-) 20040129 08:27:20 | bruce-hp@jabber | publicaly available in the sense that its linked (a copy) from rosie. but we generally don't give out the direct url. 20040129 08:27:35 | bruce-hp@jabber | (plus theres no presubmitted presentations in that location for dn*) 20040129 08:27:55 | koopal@irc | ahh 20040129 08:28:17 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has left 20040129 08:28:21 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has become available 20040129 08:30:00 | bruce-hp@jabber | we (ncc) need more active checks of our delegations as well. 20040129 08:30:17 | bruce-hp@jabber | although the sms notifications are a bit much ;) 20040129 08:31:24 | bruce-hp@jabber | (is there a Polish IT-related organisation named 'PERL' ? its too obvious a joke to pass up) 20040129 08:35:38 | bruce-hp@jabber | so the crucial list of domains is those which their nameservers get the most requests for. v;good 20040129 08:36:02 | koopal@irc | ack 20040129 08:36:21 | bruce-hp@jabber | wonder if their contract for delegations include axfr ability. 20040129 08:36:42 | koopal@irc | ask :-) 20040129 08:36:47 | bruce-hp@jabber | slide mentions both 'complex' and SOA testing, so I'm not sure. 20040129 08:38:14 | koopal@irc | if there are questions here to relay ... 20040129 08:38:20 | bruce-hp@jabber | ok, just NS lists and SOA. 20040129 08:38:28 | koopal@irc | to late :-) 20040129 08:40:20 | koopal@irc | sight 20040129 08:40:33 | koopal@irc | struggling with getting the presentation on the laptop 20040129 08:42:04 | bruce-hp@jabber | ok here we go. 20040129 08:42:23 | bruce-hp@jabber | and first the news. 20040129 08:42:38 | bruce-hp@jabber | ISC = s/software/systems/ 20040129 08:43:57 | bruce-hp@jabber | in this episode (stardate etc etc) 20040129 08:45:13 | bruce-hp@jabber | the ISC cog logo has change subtly as well. 20040129 08:46:39 | bruce-hp@jabber | https://oarc.isc.org/ 20040129 08:47:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | www.isc.org/ops/f-root/ 20040129 08:49:14 | bruce-hp@jabber | www.isc.org/sw/guild/ 20040129 08:49:25 | bruce-hp@jabber | (waits for mention of journeymen and masters) 20040129 08:54:08 | bruce-hp@jabber | questions? 20040129 08:56:06 | bruce-hp@jabber | (you can also do v6 to K) 20040129 09:02:54 | bruce-hp@jabber | dnssec workshop 20040129 09:07:00 | shane_kerr@jabber | *shane_kerr* shane_kerr has become available 20040129 09:08:03 | bruce-hp@jabber | yes. 20040129 09:08:37 | bruce-hp@jabber | (grumble, silly client) 20040129 09:13:32 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has left 20040129 09:15:19 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has become available 20040129 09:21:16 | bruce-hp@jabber | still busy with emulating pdp-10/tops-20 20040129 09:28:46 | bruce-hp@jabber | ouchie - qr bit is meant to stop that sort of query storms. 20040129 09:31:32 | bruce-hp@jabber | www.rfc.se/fpdns 20040129 09:34:08 | bruce-hp@jabber | bind9 most nameservers in .de, but bind8 most domains 20040129 09:34:33 | bruce-hp@jabber | coffee break. 20040129 09:34:45 | shane_kerr@jabber | *shane_kerr* shane_kerr has left 20040129 09:35:08 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has left 20040129 09:51:05 | maxxwell@irc | maxxwell has joined the channel. 20040129 09:52:28 | evilmark@irc | hello 20040129 10:06:29 | evilmark@irc | evilmark has left the channel. 20040129 10:06:39 | evilmark@irc | evilmark has joined the channel. 20040129 10:21:26 | bruce@jabber | *bruce* bruce has become available 20040129 10:40:50 | maxxwell@irc | maxxwell has left the channel. 20040129 10:44:34 | hakke@irc | so who's speaking now? 20040129 10:46:17 | bruce@jabber | no idea; I've gotten bogged down with office stuff :( 20040129 10:46:48 | koopal@irc | I am in services now, so ... 20040129 10:47:03 | bruce@jabber | ok, I'll remind Jim to get people to say their name. 20040129 10:47:07 | hakke@irc | just switched from rs 20040129 10:47:09 | bruce@jabber | (walkies ;) ) 20040129 10:48:12 | koopal@irc | But I think it is still Bert Hubert about powerdns 20040129 10:49:34 | bruce@jabber | there was a question from someoen who didn't identify themselves. 20040129 10:49:55 | bruce@jabber | Jim's been reminded. 20040129 10:52:54 | bruce@jabber | (and yes, I originally thought that Jim was the chair, but it ends up that Jim is closer to the door, and relayed it then to Jaap) 20040129 10:58:30 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has become available 20040129 10:59:00 | bruce-hp@jabber | dnssec in nl 20040129 11:03:33 | koopal@irc | koopal has left the channel. 20040129 11:04:55 | paf@irc | paf has joined the channel. 20040129 11:09:08 | bruce-hp@jabber | idns in europe 20040129 11:09:57 | hakke@irc | yep, interesting 20040129 11:14:48 | bruce-hp@jabber | fáß.xy -> xn--fss-ula.xy 20040129 11:15:04 | bruce-hp@jabber | (whoops, wrong 'a' used) 20040129 11:16:08 | bruce-hp@jabber | even so, there is a problem in that you start running up against the 63char limit very quickly. 20040129 11:28:09 | bruce-hp@jabber | chicken and the egg problem again. 20040129 11:29:00 | hakke@irc | ie will not have support in years?-o 20040129 11:29:13 | hakke@irc | netscape supports already 20040129 11:29:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | but unfortunately, ie is the lcw. 20040129 11:30:55 | bruce-hp@jabber | cool, charset flag on whois query. 20040129 11:31:10 | bruce-hp@jabber | whois -h whois.denic.de -Cutf8 whatever.de 20040129 11:31:32 | hakke@irc | nice 20040129 11:31:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | questions? 20040129 11:32:14 | hakke@irc | hich browsers support idns now without any plugin? 20040129 11:32:39 | paf@irc | Mozilla-based, i.e. firebird or whatever it is called, mozilla etc. Possibly some more. 20040129 11:33:30 | hakke@irc | so cctld registries should now prevent people from registering domains that start xn-- ? 20040129 11:34:13 | hakke@irc | in .fi someone has already registered some, like xn--s-0faa.fi 20040129 11:34:16 | bruce-hp@jabber | moz & opera 20040129 11:34:46 | bruce-hp@jabber | hak: ja , was on one of the slides. 20040129 11:34:49 | paf@irc | It depends on what you mean. ICANN has said many moons ago that any MM-- (any values of 'MM') should be blocked from registration. 20040129 11:35:09 | paf@irc | The registration should only happen IF it is an idn which is registered. 20040129 11:36:22 | bruce-hp@jabber | that sounds selfreferencing 20040129 11:36:22 | hakke@irc | ok, I'll let finnich nic know about that 20040129 11:36:32 | hakke@irc | finnish even 20040129 11:36:36 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has left 20040129 11:36:43 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has become available 20040129 11:38:51 | bruce-hp@jabber | ende. 20040129 11:38:56 | bruce-hp@jabber | *bruce-hp* bruce-hp has left 20040129 11:39:27 | hakke@irc | hakke has left the channel. 20040129 11:46:08 | bruce@jabber | *bruce* bruce has left